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Medicare and Deficit Estimates Revised Upward
Fox News ^ | 1/29/04

Posted on 01/29/2004 4:06:48 PM PST by billbears

WASHINGTON — President Bush's 2005 budget proposal estimates that his Medicare bill will cost one-third more than the $400 billion the White House promised, and predicts the largest deficit ever in dollar terms, congressional aides said Thursday.

Bush will send the budget for the 2005 fiscal year, which starts Oct. 1, 2004, to Congress on Monday, barely a week after wrapping up the 2004 budget fight.

The president now estimates that the just-enacted prescription-drug program and Medicare overhaul will cost about $540 billion, and that this year's budget deficit will be about $520 billion, congressional sources told The Associated Press.

That deficit figure would easily surpass the $375 billion shortfall of last year. The new estimates come as Bush braces for a difficult election-season fight with Congress over his spending, which has angered budget watchdogs, including some conservatives.

Six of this year's 10 domestic spending bills cost more than Bush proposed, according to House Appropriations Committee figures. The conservative Citizens Against Government Waste (search) estimates all 13 bills had more than 10,000 "earmarks" for congressmen's home-district projects.

"This administration has been unwilling to fight those battles," said Steve Ellis, vice president of the conservative Taxpayers for Common Sense (search).

As the Medicare measure, which Bush signed last month, was moving through Congress, the president, White House officials and congressional Republican leaders had assured doubting conservatives that the bill's costs would stay within the $400 billion estimate.

The new Medicare estimate comes from the Medicare actuaries, and is a figure the president is compelled to include in his budget estimates. However, in Bush's stump speeches around the country, he has stressed that the real costs of Medicare may drop as additional prescription drugs could prevent some more costly medical procedures.

Additionally, the Congressional Budget Office, Congress' nonpartisan fiscal analyst, estimated the bill's 10-year cost at $395 billion.

Some conservatives voted against the legislation anyway. Many are now angry that Bush has presided over excessive increases in spending and budget deficits.

"I'm not the least bit surprised," said Rep. John Shadegg (search), R-Ariz., who voted against the Medicare bill and said he had heard the cost estimate would rise. "Historically, our estimates of what these programs will cost have been so far off as to be meaningless."

An administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, acknowledged that the estimate would rise to nearly $540 billion.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 540billion; medicare; socialism
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To: RJCogburn
Quit painting with your mile-wide brush! For your information, not all of us who are on the Dose are screen-lickers, and do not appreciate being refered to as such.

I'm waiting for an apology, but I don't expect one from you.

21 posted on 01/29/2004 4:57:21 PM PST by Maigrey ("I wasn't disengaged. I was bored as hell and my mother told me never to interrupt." -Dubya)
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To: Maigrey
So now that you are here, care to weigh in on GWB's rather large error?

If Clinton had done the same, many of us would have thought he had been lying.
22 posted on 01/29/2004 5:00:40 PM PST by RJCogburn ("That's you, Cheney. You lost the horse.".....Lucky Ned Pepper.)
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To: LWalk18; billbears
We could you some skepticism like LWalk18, around here.

Pleasure is all mine.
23 posted on 01/29/2004 5:05:18 PM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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To: NittanyLion
Most of them are hiding in the "A Day in the Life of ..." or some other fluff thread.
24 posted on 01/29/2004 5:16:38 PM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: RJCogburn
Instead of (griping) on an internet news board, I've been contacting my congress critters.

And, for the record, I agree that there need to be reforms for Immigration, Social Security, and other national issues, but not at the cost to the states' rights.

I abhor seeing the NPR, NEA, and Teachers' Union funded with Federal funds, but the rest of the people who are getting that handout won't vote against it.

And you?

25 posted on 01/29/2004 5:17:36 PM PST by Maigrey ("I wasn't disengaged. I was bored as hell and my mother told me never to interrupt." -Dubya)
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To: Southack; Howlin
Come out come out whereever you are!!
26 posted on 01/29/2004 5:19:26 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: Maigrey
And, for the record, I agree that there need to be reforms for Immigration, Social Security, and other national issues, but not at the cost to the states' rights.

What in the world does that mean? Current federal immigration policy, Social Security and other national issues are already coming at the "cost of states' rights". Reforms will only strengthen states' rights - not place them in peril.

27 posted on 01/29/2004 5:23:56 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Maigrey
Instead of (griping) on an internet news board, I've been contacting my congress critters.

Sorry, but a lot of people here HAVE contacted their Congressmen and Senators. Might as well email, write, or fax a brick wall. The establishment Republican hacks are ignoring us grassroots conservatives BIG TIME - again.

Federal spending and gov't programs are out of control and we want something done about it NOW - The GOP controls ALL three branches of gov't and they can't cut a piddly, measly program or department? They can't even DECREASE the funding at least? Totally inexcusable.

28 posted on 01/29/2004 5:24:13 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You guys are smoking crack, or a more powerful substance.

Want full-blown socialism? Stay home or vote for Peroutka for the Constitution Party then, and watch President Kerry jack up your taxes and relinquish U.S. sovereignity to the U.N.

29 posted on 01/29/2004 5:27:22 PM PST by BlkConserv
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To: BlkConserv
You guys are smoking crack, or a more powerful substance. Want full-blown socialism? Stay home or vote for Peroutka for the Constitution Party then, and watch President Kerry jack up your taxes and relinquish U.S. sovereignity to the U.N.

Show me where Post 28 called for voters to stay at home or vote for Peroutka.

Nice diversion, but we're not falling for your attempts to turn this into a flamefest. Next time stick to a poster's actual comments instead of building strawmen.

31 posted on 01/29/2004 5:30:45 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Maigrey
Okay, I agree.

Now do you care to comment on the topic of this thread?

How could the administration make such a large error in the cost of the Medicare bill? What would you have said had the Clinton administration made such a large error?
32 posted on 01/29/2004 6:09:55 PM PST by RJCogburn ("That's you, Cheney. You lost the horse.".....Lucky Ned Pepper.)
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To: billbears
"Wonder what it's going to look like 3 or 4 years from now?"

Well, we've still ten months left in this first year, and with already a 30% rise in the estimate, we'll see two trillion over ten, easily. And if the "Bush for Illegaliens" plan sees the light of day, we can easily double that to four tril. Ah, but who's counting in Washington?

We have got to put a cap on government's spinning - oops - spending.

33 posted on 01/29/2004 6:11:09 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: billbears
Can anyone name any government program which was supposed to make something cheaper for a select group of people by subsidizing it, which has not within a fairly short time made it more expensive for everyone (often including those for whom it was supposed to be cheaper!)
34 posted on 01/29/2004 6:13:25 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: billbears
Wonder what it's going to look like 3 or 4 years from now?

Not something we can afford. I really am glad that Republicans are in office, image how large the deficit would be if Dims were in control.

</sarcasm>

35 posted on 01/29/2004 6:22:04 PM PST by 4CJ (||) Support free speech and stop CFR - visit www.ArmorforCongress.com (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices; billbears
"...image how large the deficit would be if Dims were in control."

...and to think we just had "to take back the Senate" for this! I'm not sure we can survive four more years of this flavor of "conservatism"

36 posted on 01/29/2004 6:30:16 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: RJCogburn
Let me point out something very interesting to you.

There are currently two threads on this AP article. On both cases, the article is excerpted although they do not have to be excerpted. Let me tell you why.

If you read just the article title and the first few paragraphs, you come away with an impression that is different from the impression you get from reading the whole article.

The cost of this program, over the years, has been estimated in numerous ways and it is safe to say that no one knows for sure exactly what it will cost. As the article states, it is difficult to say how many individuals will join each plan. And nobody can accurately predict what Medicare costs reductions will be achieved by this or that preventive treatmeant.

It is only common sense to write you budget around the worst case scenario rather than the best case scenario.

37 posted on 01/29/2004 6:31:05 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: azhenfud
I'm not sure we can survive four more years of this flavor of "conservatism"

At least before we blocked the socialist programs, now we're told to shut up and vote "R" - all they are forgetting is the 'Do it for the children' phrase. Deficits are tomorrows taxes.

38 posted on 01/29/2004 6:37:50 PM PST by 4CJ (||) Support free speech and stop CFR - visit www.ArmorforCongress.com (||)
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To: Ben Ficklin
May I point out another interesting fact?

The "plan" is over ten years. We were told expressly $400 billion over ten.

This new estimate is over ten. This new estimate is 30% higher, at $540 billion. There ARE NO ADJUSTMENTS FOR PREVENTATIVE'S CONSEQUENTIAL SAVINGS because there won't be any of any significance. As with ALL other government programs, there will never be a lower revised estimate. NEVER.
39 posted on 01/29/2004 6:42:26 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
We have one now saying, "for our children, and our children's children." I guess they're realizing the pockets of our children are runnin' a bit light.
40 posted on 01/29/2004 6:49:30 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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