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Centuries-Old Murals Revealed (Discovered) In Mission Dolores (San Francisco)
SF Chronicle ^
| 1-29-2004
| Carl Nolte
Posted on 01/29/2004 3:58:09 PM PST by blam
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:38 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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Two young men, one an artist, the other an archaeologist, crawled over the ancient redwood beams of San Francisco's Mission Dolores earlier this month, opened a trap door, lowered an electric light into a space behind the main altar -- and stared into the 18th century.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: art; artifacts; centuries; church; dolores; godsgravesglyphs; mission; murals; old
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posted on
01/29/2004 3:58:10 PM PST
by
blam
To: farmfriend
Glyphs?
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posted on
01/29/2004 4:11:20 PM PST
by
blam
To: blam
I will check them right away...thanks!
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posted on
01/29/2004 4:33:13 PM PST
by
ruoflaw
To: blam
Corazón del Sagrado
'Sacred Heart'; Virgin of Guadalupe Shrine, I think.
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posted on
01/29/2004 4:36:22 PM PST
by
The KG9 Kid
(Semper Fi)
To: blam
highly unusual style of illustration for a "native artist" from the 18th century. It just does not appear to fit ... especially the sword handle.
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posted on
01/29/2004 4:38:50 PM PST
by
steplock
(www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
To: blam
"Perhaps,'' Wood said, "someone will give us a grant." Dude---what you do is tell everyone it is MUSLIM art, or animal worship, or tree worship, or buddu, voodoo, or raghead art....ANYTHING but CHRISTIAN!
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posted on
01/29/2004 4:41:16 PM PST
by
gg188
To: blam
I suspect this is the same mission I saw profiled on TV.
It's small and not ornate...but IIRC, the walls are so thick and substantial, it has
survived earthquakes while more contemporary neighboring structures have not.
Also, it's such an humble structure that tourists think a more modern church next door is
actually the mission.
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posted on
01/29/2004 4:47:44 PM PST
by
VOA
Comment #8 Removed by Moderator
To: blam
I'm sorry, but if they were done by Indians and they are located in San Francisco, then every use of the word "Indian" or phrase "Native American," must be preceded by the word "Sacred." To the extreme left, ALL things Indian are automatically Sacred.
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posted on
01/29/2004 5:45:48 PM PST
by
Tacis
To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; A.J.Armitage; abner; adam_az; AdmSmith; Alas Babylon!; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.
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posted on
01/30/2004 1:17:26 AM PST
by
farmfriend
( Isaiah 55:10,11)
To: blam
That does not look anything like other native artwork I've seen. Looks more euro-peon to me. especially the handle and the use of the background... of course I'd have to check out the entire picture on their website... of course I am not an expert but I am a Texan =o)
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posted on
01/30/2004 1:30:45 AM PST
by
GeronL
(www.ArmorforCongress.com ............... Support a FReeper for Congress)
To: blam
I wonder how much the knives the Aztecs used to cut out beating hearts later influenced Christian art depicting hearts with daggers.
The knife seems to be an important part of their lives in more ways than one. The mother of the Aztec creation story was called "Coatlique". She was first impregnated by an
obsidian knife.
To: blam
The pictures accompanying the article are almost all of those 2 guys. There is only the one decent one of the heart. Sheesh.
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posted on
01/30/2004 3:25:20 AM PST
by
visualops
(Liberty is both the plan of Heaven for humanity, and the best hope for progress here on Earth-G.W.B.)
To: Tacis
It is sacred art. It's religiously motivated, of religious themes, in a religious place (church). Your sarcasm is unwarranted.
To: Inyokern
What on earth motivated you to post a gay painting to a thread about Christian art in a church?
Do you think it's clever? The church is in San Francisco, therefore you need to joke about gays?
How old are you? Fifteen? Are you Beavis or are you Butthead?
To: JudyB1938
The Indians in San Francisco were not Aztecs.
To: JudyB1938
To: CobaltBlue; blam
It is sacred art. It's religiously motivated,the article said:
"It was built by Ohlone slave labor,''
Both statement may be true, but interaction between the western and indigenous cultures in the Americas is now more legend than history. The party line may have changed from "putting pants on the savages" to "enslavement of nobility", but with this find there's a lot more evidence of religious motivation than forced enslavement.
To: blam
""You can only imagine what these people were thinking to be put to work painting a wall with completely alien symbols," Blind said."
Maybe they were thinking they were honoring Christ their Lord and Savior.
This assumption that the Indians couldn't possibly have done this for their own reasons is common among archaeologists. I visited the British Museum last summer and wandered over to their North American exhibit. There among the artifacts was a letter by a newly Christianized Indian from one of the California missions. He explained that life was better now that he lived at the mission. The English of course in their hatred for all things Spanish and Catholic couldn't let that stand unanswered so they had a modern interpretation beside the letter explaining that the Indian was a slave. They did that for nothing else in that exhibit.
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posted on
01/30/2004 4:59:20 AM PST
by
Varda
To: CobaltBlue; JudyB1938
Indians in San Francisco were not Aztecs.The weren't from India either -unless you stretch the time frame.
The image of the heart and dagger that's popular in Latin America is much more graphic that the valentine from Ohio. An Aztec link would be much more believable than no link. Religions typically spread more by absorption-- Messiah from Bethlehem, Greeks change the name from Joshua to Jesus, Romans change the birthday from spring to December 25. If it works, do it!
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