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Leading His Flock: Has the new archbishop of St. Louis crossed a line?
National Review Online ^ | January 29, 2004 | Robert P. George & Gerard V. Bradley

Posted on 01/29/2004 7:27:19 AM PST by xsysmgr

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To: philosofy123
What's wrong with you?
21 posted on 01/29/2004 9:04:16 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: xsysmgr
What about the allegation that Burke's actions show that he is a fanatic?

Nonsense! He could take lessons on fanaticism from some folks on FR.

22 posted on 01/29/2004 9:08:06 AM PST by verity
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To: philosofy123

Turn it down and maybe we’ll actually listen to what you’re saying!

23 posted on 01/29/2004 9:14:56 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: Barnacle
Nothing is wrong with me. I am simply amazed at the anti-religion cabal that comes out every Christmas to tell us not to great each other Merry Christmas or display the nativity scene in public places, yet they play deaf when they observe us negotiating with fanatical Shiite Islamist Ayatollah Sistani. How many articles did you see in our media regarding this issue, or critic of our giving an ayatollah the say of dictating to us how Iraq should be a theocracy, and bartering the rights of the minority Christians? I used the large font to attract the attention of the sleeping majority. Sorry to have offended you. Next time, I will comply and say happy holidays, never Merry Christmas!

24 posted on 01/29/2004 9:55:32 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
You didn't offend me. I just want to understand what you've saying. Good points.

A belated Merry Christmas to you.
25 posted on 01/29/2004 10:03:06 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: philosofy123
Merry Christmas to you dude :)
26 posted on 01/29/2004 10:04:16 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: xsysmgr; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; CAtholic Family Association; ...
his purpose, rather, is to defend the integrity of Catholic teaching on the sanctity of life and to confirm in the minds and hearts of the Catholic faithful their solemn moral obligation to oppose the killing of the innocent.

Excellent article! Thank you for posting it.


Archbishop Raymond Burke leads the procession into the cathedral for his installation mass.

During his homily, Burke's loudest and most sustained applause - over 30 seconds - came after his two-line mention of the respect of life "from conception to a natural death" with his regret that "too many lives have already been taken by violence."

Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list


27 posted on 01/29/2004 10:04:23 AM PST by NYer ("One person and God make an army." - St. Teresa of Avila)
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To: NYer
Now let's see if he has the balls to stand up to our Democrat machine.
28 posted on 01/29/2004 10:08:31 AM PST by steve8714
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To: Desdemona
I agree. The politicians have done it to themselves.
29 posted on 01/29/2004 10:19:44 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Desdemona; Zack Nguyen; All
Strategies to break abortion stalemate - "National (anti)Catholic Reporter" EDITORIAL,
The bishops should find a way to work productively with pro-choice Catholics in high office. Politicians like Sens. Tom Daschle and Ted Kennedy and Rep. Nancy Pelosi should not face banishment from public events held on Catholic soil because of their public policy views, nor should they fear refusal at the Communion rail. There’s a lot of good work that can be done outside the abortion arena, and quiet respect, not burnt bridges, is both the prudent and productive course of action.
For a healthy dose of entertainment see The anti-Catholicism of the "National Catholic Reporter"
30 posted on 01/29/2004 10:30:18 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

31 posted on 01/29/2004 10:43:38 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: xsysmgr
Good article except for:

No serious person suggests that the German bishops or Vatican officials actively supported the Nazis' murderous policies. The suggestion, rather, is that by their (alleged) failure to denounce those policies and to excommunicate those Nazi leaders who had Catholic backgrounds, Church officials signaled that Catholics could legitimately support Nazi policies without peril to their souls or to their standing in the Church.

Ugh. Not this again.

"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.

Albert Einstein
Time Magazine, 12/23/40

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The charity and work of Pope Pius XII during World War II so impressed the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, that in 1944 he was open to the grace of God which led him into the Catholic faith. As his baptismal name, he took the same one Pius had, Eugenio, as his own. Later Israel Eugenio Zolli wrote a book entitled, Why I Became a Catholic.

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"The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas... he is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all... the Pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism... he left no doubt that the Nazi aims are also irreconcilable with his own conception of a Christian peace."

The New York Times editorial
12/25/41 (Late Day edition, p. 24)

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"This Christmas more than ever he is a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent... Pope Pius expresses as passionately as any leader on our side the war aims of the struggle for freedom when he says that those who aim at building a new world must fight for free choice of government and religious order. They must refuse that the state should make of individuals a herd of whom the state disposes as if they were lifeless things."

The New York Times editorial
12/25/42 (Late Day edition, p. 16)

His description of Holy Communion as "the sacrament of unity" is a bit misleading too.

The Sacrament of the Eucharist
Catechism of the Catholic Church

32 posted on 01/29/2004 10:45:37 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: xsysmgr
George for pope! I don't care if he IS married. She can be Mrs Pope,
33 posted on 01/29/2004 10:53:16 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: heyheyhey
quiet respect, not burnt bridges, is both the prudent and productive course of action.

Revelation 3:15-16

I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm–neither hot nor cold–I am about to vomit you out of my mouth.


34 posted on 01/29/2004 11:05:12 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: xsysmgr
Bump and a big AMEN to AB Burke
35 posted on 01/29/2004 11:28:32 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: steve8714
What you said.
36 posted on 01/29/2004 11:28:53 AM PST by Jaded (Personally, I think they should bring back flogging and burning at the stake. /so)
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To: heyheyhey
"Merry Christmas to you dude :)"

Dude, where is my religion?

37 posted on 01/29/2004 11:40:13 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: heyheyhey
More like Happy Candlemas, right? Hard to get the cars for this, though.
38 posted on 01/29/2004 12:15:22 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: El Conservador; Missouri; Agitate
Missouri -- St. Louis area -- ping

Archbishop Burke
40 posted on 01/29/2004 12:19:17 PM PST by StarCMC (God protect the 969th in Iraq and their Captain, my brother...God protect them all!)
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