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Gay Men Lose Challenge to Florida Gay Adoption Ban
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Posted on 01/28/2004 6:27:16 PM PST by Kieri
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To: Kieri
"We think the court is wrong in thinking that the Constitution lets the government assume that sexual orientation has anything to do with good parenting," the ACLU's Cates said. It's not just our constitution, it's 5000 years of civilization that has made abundantly clear the fact that a two parent, male and female household is the best place to raise stable families.
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posted on
01/28/2004 9:58:26 PM PST
by
SuziQ
To: GladesGuru
The original members ofthe ACLU were all card carrying
communists.
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posted on
01/29/2004 12:50:39 AM PST
by
.45MAN
("I am what I am because of what I am")
To: Herodotus
I would rather have two gay men adopt and raise to a proper conservative Christian manhood an otherwise forgotten boy than Britney Spears and her flavor of the month marry, divorce, marry, divorce, reproduce, abandon and forget about children. At least _some_ group of people is thinking about all the children in this country. That is the most stupid reasoning I have ever seen. It does not give a pass to homosexuals just because there's disfunction in some "normal" people. Disfunctional people shouldn't be able to adopt either.
To: Herodotus
I would rather have two gay men adopt and raise to a proper conservative Christian manhood an otherwise forgotten boy The problem is that two 'gay' men CANNOT raise a child to a proper conservative Christian manhood because they know NOTHING about proper Christian manhood.
If they were Christian then they wouldn't be practicing deviant sexual behaviors. If they were real men then they'd accept the fact that their behaviors are deviant and they'd seek to get cured of them.
Two 'gay' guys raising a boy only means that that boy is going to get molested. If the 'parents' don't molest him, their friends will.
For the safety of our children every 'homosexual' must be considered a child molester. After all, in the "Gay Report" 73% of male 'homosexuals' admitted to molesting children
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posted on
01/29/2004 4:20:54 AM PST
by
John O
(God Save America (Please))
To: .45MAN
Philosophically, many still are.
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posted on
01/29/2004 5:10:00 AM PST
by
GladesGuru
(In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
To: IronJack
In the SHeeples Republic of FloriDUH, it is an exceeding rare occurence for either the legal class or the political class to be able to perceive the obvious.
Sigh.
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posted on
01/29/2004 5:12:59 AM PST
by
GladesGuru
(In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
To: Herodotus
No offence meant, but your argument seems to be a stalking horse fresh off the Socialism Spread.
The issue isn't whether Brittny or another such Hollyweird 'critteress de jour' and her choice of a mate ( term used loosely) would make better parents than a 'queer qouple'.
The issue is: Should the state be permitted to subject dependent minors to sociol-political experimentation where the risks are unknown, the benefits to the child are non-existant, and the potential for known and unknown negative impacts are significant?
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posted on
01/29/2004 5:21:53 AM PST
by
GladesGuru
(In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
To: Kieri
What's one lost battle to the legion of slogging perverts who seek to get their hands on the youth of America?
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posted on
01/29/2004 5:37:26 AM PST
by
JesseHousman
(Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
To: Kieri
I didn't know until I heard about this that FL bars any gays from adopting.
Which is a good thing.
To: IronJack
"...the state has a right to legislate its "moral disapproval of homosexuality"Actually, that's the weak link.
It contradicts the fact that Florida allows for gay foster parents, and diverts the attention from the true argument, being that children who require foster homes, are best served by placement in a more mainstream family in order to promote stability, and gives the opposition the opportunity to argue that the State is legislating in its own self-interest, rather than in the interest of the child.
Argue in favor of the right of the child, rather than in favor of the right of the State.
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posted on
01/29/2004 5:45:51 AM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
To: Kieri
Maybe something more important that the ruling itself is that the opinon also made a strong statement against judicial activism:
"The legislature is the proper forum for this debate, and we do not sit as a superlegislature to award by judicial decree what was not achievable by political consensus," it said.
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posted on
01/29/2004 8:06:16 AM PST
by
Between the Lines
("What Goes Into the Mind Comes Out in a Life")
To: Kieri
"Any argument that the Florida Legislature was misguided in its decision is one of legislative policy, not constitutional law." I almost fell out of my chair when I realized a judge wrote this. I am flabbergasted.
"We think the court is wrong in thinking that the Constitution lets the government assume that sexual orientation has anything to do with good parenting," the ACLU's Cates said.
I wonder if Cates wold think that guy in Germany who advertised for someone who wanted to be eaten, then ate him, could make a wonderful father.
Just remember, orientation is not a trait. There are thousands of ex-gays who say so.
Shalom.
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posted on
01/29/2004 9:27:05 AM PST
by
ArGee
("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." - George W. Bush)
To: Herodotus
I would rather have two gay men adopt and raise to a proper conservative Christian manhood an otherwise forgotten boy than Britney Spears and her flavor of the month marry, divorce, marry, divorce, reproduce, abandon and forget about children. At least _some_ group of people is thinking about all the children in this country. Those aren't the only two choices (assuming two gays could raise to a "proper conservative Christian manhood."
Homosexuality is a mental illness. We should not knowingly give children to the mentally ill.
Shalom.
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posted on
01/29/2004 9:30:15 AM PST
by
ArGee
("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." - George W. Bush)
To: Kieri
Florida is the only state in the nation with a complete ban on adoption by gays, whether married or single. Married?
To: Kieri
Thank God.
All gay adoption is child abuse.
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posted on
01/29/2004 9:36:04 AM PST
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(There are very few shades of gray.)
To: Pikachu_Dad
...anti-homosexual campaign.Typical liberal reporting. Load up the bias in the story. It could just as easily been written "...pro-family campaign."
To: Luis Gonzalez
The important point is that the COURT ruled that the state has that right. In other words, the state, acting as the agent of the collective, has the right to LEGISLATE the values of the collective, and to have those values enforced! That is not a right the judiciary has recognized often in the last few decades.
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posted on
01/29/2004 2:59:35 PM PST
by
IronJack
To: GladesGuru
"The issue is: Should the state be permitted to subject dependent minors to sociol-political experimentation where the risks are unknown, the benefits to the child are non-existant, and the potential for known and unknown negative impacts are significant?"
hmm...well, two professional men who can provide a safe home for a child seems a lot better than an abusive heterosexual couple interested only in the money. Take the story about the couple in New Jersey that starved their male charges; or the story of Antone Fisher.
Would any of you stand up to stop Britney Spears from adopting a child if she felt like it, even if she were not married and were still living the life she is? I think not.
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