[Texasforever]

The quickest way for these guys to get Bush's stubborn streak in high gear is to threaten him.

[farmfriend]

Short list.

[FastCoyote]

Wow, the Bush people really have a tin year. What part of "no" don't they understand.

[teech]

I've been too swamped with work to follow what's been going on with this one. I'm horrified, and can't believe Bush is pushing this, even given the political realities. Unlike our friend Dennins Miller, I'm not real inclined to give him a pass on this. Am I alone on this, or what? Is there a common view on this one, or are we all over the map (as it were)?

[goldstategop]

The peasants are ready to go to the barricades with their pitchforks. Its time King George and Counselor Rove started paying them noblesse oblige for a change. Which would keep His Majesty on the throne. ;-)

[tiki]

I've hesitated to say anything on these anti-immigration threads but it will be a disaster if Bush actually got this through. The Southwest is just starting to recover from Simpson-Missouli(I think that was the bill but I think my spelling is all wrong)

Before that, it was illegal for the Mexican illegals to work but it wasn't illegal to hire them. They worked on farms and ranches along the border, sent their money home, didn't pay SS or taxes, and went back home when they had earned enough money for a "grub stake". Then the liberals got upset and thought that they were being mistreated and some horror stories came out and everyone believed that these poor workers were beaten, starved and severely abused and needed all the protection of a US citizen.

After the amnesty bill the ones who received it didn't assimilate very well and many became a burden on the social services system and the Mexicans who wanted to come and work in the US were forced beyond the border where the Border Patrol system is strong and now they rarely go home.

They also said when they passed that bill that it would be a one time thing. How do you think they will believe that if it happens again? They'll be coming in droves because they will see that we don't mean what we say.

[Bud Krieger]

Reps. Todd Akin of Missouri

Todd Akin is one of the good guys in Congress. He would be my Rep. if not for redistricting. Now, I have Lacy Clay, a big liberal Rat !

I am surprised that Rep. Jo Ann Emerson ( MO. ) isn`t on the list, she is usually pretty strong on immigration issues as well.

I myself am not in favor of any guest worker program, after seeing what happened with the H1B visa program, I think what Bush is proposing is lunacy.

I know he has ticked off a quite a few of my family members, and some are not going to vote for him in November.

[ETERNAL WARMING]

"Our office has a stack of letters 8 to 9 inches tall already, and that's not including phone calls," Mr. Espinosa said. "We had to create an immigration hot line after the president's speech just for the calls we were getting. They're saying they won't vote for the president if he pushes this legislation."

YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Well done, Freepers!

[narby]

So what's Bush supposed to do? Let the status quo stand? Oh, sure, that's worked well.

Deport 10's of millions of illegals? Sure, that'd go over real good with the moderate voters who decide elections.

At least the guy is doing what he said he'd do in 2000. Which is far more than anything a Democrat would do.

Go ahead folks, vote for a non-Bush, or don't vote. You'll get John Kerry and deserve him.

[Penner]

"The president's temporary-worker program is a well thought-out aimed at improving border security, meeting our economic needs and being compassionate to those trying to improve their situation for themselves and their families," Miss Buchan said.

I disagree.

[LaurieB]

I certainly will not be voting anything but republican in 04 - that's a given. But when I think of what Bush has done here - I am reminded of just how unprotected our borders are. We are screaming to have our borders protected. If our borders were adequately protected we wouldn't have a problem with these Mexicans coming over the border to work. This has caused some nightmares already and I think those nightmares are just the tip of the iceberg to what might come. Jobs are going overseas now we invite illegals to come into our country and take our jobs. These illegals are securing good jobs. I've already heard of employers who fired all of their employees and went with a private contractor who in turn hired all illegals from Mexico. And I haven't even mentioned the terrorism factor yet. Our government is doing a piss poor job in protecting their citizens. Rather then sending our military overseas - why don't they use them for something of real value - like protecting our borders. Frankly, if I didn't have local obligations (my family) to worry about - I would go live in Norway. That's pretty sad when you feel you're being run out of your own country.

[lewislynn]

The cat's outta the bag. As far as I'm concerned the damage is done no matter what he does now. I no longer trust him.

[sweetliberty]

" At least two states, Arizona and California, are witnessing grass-roots uprisings to counter the flood of illegal immigrants. Both states have organizers gathering signatures for November ballot measures that would ban social services to illegal immigrants."

Looks like you're getting your wish. Good luck with it. Our RAT reps won't even give us the time of day on this issue, and Arkansas is overrun with this plague.

[sweetliberty]

"Polly Baca, head of the Latin American Research and Service Agency in Denver, said the letter sounded like a "vendetta" against undocumented workers."

No you ignorant b***h, we are tired of our country being overrun by these people who ignore the rules and create an enormous tax burden on citizens (you know, those people who actually have a right to be here) and who are driving the wages down for everybody, not to mention putting legitimate immigrants at a severe disadvantage and penalizing them for following the rules when they too only want to better things for themselves and their families. I am so sick of you people carrying on as if America owes these invaders a living along with some special status. We owe them nothing but a one way trip back to Mexico, or in some instances, wherever else they might have cone from via Mexico (in many cases).

[MissAmericanPie]

"White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said yesterday that she hadn't yet seen the letter, but stressed the importance of the president's proposal in controlling illegal immigration.

"The president's temporary-worker program is a well thought-out aimed at improving border security, meeting our economic needs and being compassionate to those trying to improve their situation for themselves and their families,"

There was not one word mentioned about securing the borders, and we do not call registering lawbreakers, and changing the laws to make them legal, a legitimate way to control illegal immigration.

This, "well thought out plan" had nothing to do with border security, had no means to track these individuals, and the billions spent on the useless agencies that would be created to not fulfill their function would be better spent on enforcement.

Our first duty to compassion should be to ourselves, our culture, our national identity, our sovereignty. It will not be set aside for some self serving politicians false call to duty to improve the situtation of those that would destroy the nation by their mere presence at the ballot box and the sheer numbers of their illegal invasion.

[Cacique]

ping

[swampfox98]

Bush won't change his mind about open borders, because this was put into motion by the UN years ago, and Bush agrees with it.

The only thing that will save America is for States to rise up independly, stop welfare and health care for illegals in your own state, and insist that criminals be deported.

Conservative Republicans and Democrats should join together and promote States rights legislation, and if the judiciary fights it, disbar the pukes.

[Hillarys nightmare]

"This is another indicator of Congressman Tancredo's willingness to do harm to people who are willing to work in the lowest-paying jobs that we need for our economy," said Miss Baca, who called the president's plan "a step in the right direction."

So this is the justification for allowing aliens and American businessmen to break immagration law, and then follow up by stating that it is a step in the right direction?

The argument is bogus on both counts.
There are Americans who can and will do this work, but aren't going to work for next to nothing, because they can't afford to! So bring in a poor alien and exploit him so that you can retain profit margins, and then say that you had no choice!
Meanwhile, our countrymen, who can't afford to work for such low wages have to sign up for federal aid to their families, along with the aliens who are coming here and wont go back because they don't have to, and they know that as long as they are here, they can get the government goodies too!

So tell me again how this Amnesty Plan is supposed to help America?

President Bush; I am very disapointed in you!

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

BTTT

[Jorge]

So let's see.
Bush proposes an immigration bill that makes him popular with some minority immigrant communities, but then it dies in Congress.

For the so called conservatives who threaten not to support Bush in November, the issue is off the table long before the election.
But for those he impressed by the proposal, he still looks like the good guy.

It's a win-win situation.
Bush must be loving every minute of this.