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I guess you didn't read my question. It was: "Have you read the whole article?

I guess you missed where I answered your question, "Yes".

It's not exactly one dimensional." (But your comment is.)

For once, I'd like to have a mature, frank discussion on this issue, but I do know from experience that that's just too much to expect from you and the other vitriolic anti-gay posters here.

It's impossible to discuss with you because your foundation seems to be (correct me if I'm wrong) that there's nothing harmful or inherently destructive about same sex behavior, there is no "gay" agenda, and the morality and immorality don't exist. And that if I or anyone else disagrees with this platform, we're vitriolic and "anti-gay".

P.S. What do you mean by "anti-gay"?

Actually, what Kurtz is saying is a refutation of "conservative" pro-gay marriage advocates' (like Eskridge and Sullivan) position that gay marriage will strengthen the institution, not weaken it.

So Kurtz looked at the places where gay marriage has been instituted the longest. And the results are that marriage is the weakest of all there.

Now Kurtz does show a direct causal relationship there, at least not empirically. But the evidence is enough to suggest that Eskridge's and Sullivan's position is utterly untenable.

Gay marriage may or may not in fact damage the institution itself. In fact, it is apparent (especiall in Scandinavia) that most of the damage was done before same-sex marriage and by heterosexuals to boot. But the idea that gay marriage will strengthen marriage itself is simply not tenable based on the evidence today. In fact, it is flatly absurd.

For once, I'd like to have a mature, frank discussion on this issue, but I do know from experience that that's just too much to expect from you and the other vitriolic anti-gay posters here.

Then go to a site where people will tolerate it. As far as I'm concerned, homosexuals have no legitimate claim to anything. Here, you might as well be seeking a frank discussion on the merits of Marxism.

If that makes me "anti-gay" in your mind, I don't care. There is no group that has done more damage to the Catholic Church and to the general health of America.

When will homosexuals apologize for the plague of AIDS that they've spread across this nation and the devastation to lives and the cost of everyone's health care? Or how about the people who got AIDS because a homosexual sold his blood?

Do you have any idea how much money has been funneled away from research in heart disease and cancer to find a cure for the most easily prevented disease on Earth?

Do you want to help homosexuals? Tell them to stop sticking things where they don't belong.