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Kay "intel community owes the pres. an apologizy, rather than the pres. owing the American people"
wireservice.wired.com ^ | Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:03 p.m. ET | Reuters

Posted on 01/26/2004 7:41:10 PM PST by Destro

Edited on 06/29/2004 7:10:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry said on Sunday the Bush administration, including Vice President Dick Cheney, should be "held accountable" for claims Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Kerry, riding a tide of support since a surprising win Monday in the first of the U.S. presidential nominating contests, said U.S. lawmakers should hold hearings on Capitol Hill.


(Excerpt) Read more at wireservice.wired.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: apology; davidkay; intelligence; iraq; wmd
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To: VaBthang4
Actually thanks for that info- I missed Miller's show. I will be watching it too.
41 posted on 01/26/2004 8:26:09 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
I am not trying to be sarcastic in any way by challenging what you have disclosed in this post.I have the utmost respect for you from everything I've read from your posts' thus far. However,that being said, I sincerely believe that G.W. has something up his sleeve, and he's not going to use it for political gain until becomes a nesessity, say about August-September '04.
42 posted on 01/26/2004 8:26:51 PM PST by zygoat
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To: zygoat
Bingo
43 posted on 01/26/2004 8:27:45 PM PST by mylife
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To: Destro
I get a strong impression that you and I will have ended up watching diametrically opposed programs.
44 posted on 01/26/2004 8:27:59 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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Mean while we advance....chip away
45 posted on 01/26/2004 8:28:41 PM PST by mylife
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To: mylife
;o)
46 posted on 01/26/2004 8:29:41 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: Miss Marple
The DUmocRATS are trying to hang the blame on the President under the claim that he knew all along there were no WMD and trumped up the intelligence so he could go to WAR for OIL, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.....

This lie will be shot down very quickly when the Senate gets it into committee hearings. There will be a revamping of our Intelligence agency, the director, (ex-Clinton appointee) will take the heat and have to step down.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

47 posted on 01/26/2004 8:30:06 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Careful! Your TAGS are the mirror of your SOUL!)
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To: All
One good thing is this is all coming out now. (Although I still say removing Saddam was right and he had every intention to produce WMD's given the chance if he didn't already have them well hidden.) By the time the election comes around, it will be forgotten since much of the general public has a short memory and tends to ignore of the same mantras over and over.
48 posted on 01/26/2004 8:31:15 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
George is outstanding about playing a cool hand.

Let them watch the fire! WMD has them Hypnotized
49 posted on 01/26/2004 8:32:50 PM PST by mylife
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To: zygoat
I am kind of puzzled. I thought I posted what I posted in DEFENSE of Bush. In other words Bush said what he said because of possible bad info and he did not lie.

If any sane and good president was told that Iraq had the WMD that he was told they had and post 9/11 did not act he should be impeahed. The wat with Iraq was justified because under the cease fire agreement Iraq had to cooperate and they did not and violated the cease fire. Thus we had every right to invade and defeat this regime.

Where I do part was with Bush is that he did not present that case in such a way. On this I blame the message people who always assume that the message should be kept simple for the massess. Bush should have presented a more multi detailed and layered explanation for why he wanted to take out Saddam. That is just nitpicking. A minor point. I also have little respect for the CIA - an invention of the Democrats. Why many here like the CIA is a puzzle besides there are many here who worship the notion of a cool spy agency. We need intel and spies - I just wish we had a better system. That again is not Bush's fault nor can he do anything much about it.

50 posted on 01/26/2004 8:34:46 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: VaBthang4
How can watching the same TV program lead to that? Miller is always great on the news since his SNL days.
51 posted on 01/26/2004 8:36:50 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: All
If there were no WMDs in Iraq there were a lot more people fooled that just President Bush and his administration:

Subject: Weapons of Mass Destruction.....

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998


"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002


"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002


"[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Please feel free to copy this list and use it as appropriate. I took it from someone else and it has come in handy several times.

52 posted on 01/26/2004 8:39:06 PM PST by kayak (Have you prayed for our President and our troops today?)
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To: kayak
Thank You.
53 posted on 01/26/2004 8:43:50 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: kayak
Yup, A lot of people believed in the WMDs, I still do whether tangible or proposed.

Pakistan has em it worries me. they came into being on clintons watch.

The point is that GW knows this wont stick to him and he lets the opposition think that it will. All the while GW is taking care if business.
CIA works in a similar manner
54 posted on 01/26/2004 8:46:35 PM PST by mylife
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To: VaBthang4; mylife
And that list doesn't really scratch the surface. I'm sure a little research would show lots of officials in lots of countries (even France, Germany, and Russia) who also believed in the existence of Saddam's WMDs.

Btw, one of the best quotes I've heard on the subject was the day after Saddam's capture. Someone (I don't recall who) said that Saddam was a Weapon of Mass Destruction himself. Too true!

55 posted on 01/26/2004 8:50:29 PM PST by kayak (Have you prayed for our President and our troops today?)
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To: kayak
I can actually forsee a democrat president releasing Saddam "for lack of evidence".
56 posted on 01/26/2004 8:54:41 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Good point except that I'm not sure I can envision a 'rat president ever being in charge when he was captured to begin with. And hopefully he is going to be long disposed of before a 'rat ever has even a slim chance of being president.
57 posted on 01/26/2004 8:59:29 PM PST by kayak (Have you prayed for our President and our troops today?)
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To: Destro
I never thought that you were taking an adversarial stance to G.W's policies. I am merely suggesting that there may be a little strategery going on here.It wouldn't be the first time,as you know. This "Cowboy" has a a bit more intelligence than he is given credit for.
58 posted on 01/26/2004 9:05:03 PM PST by zygoat
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To: RaceBannon
Bookmark bump.
59 posted on 01/26/2004 9:06:35 PM PST by Bernard Marx (In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.)
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To: zygoat
However,that being said, I sincerely believe that G.W. has something up his sleeve, and he's not going to use it for political gain until becomes a nesessity, say about August-September '04.

So, you're saying he is playing a game with the American people? Manipulating them for his own ends?

60 posted on 01/26/2004 9:13:04 PM PST by templar
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