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Limbaugh's pill use not extraordinary, lawyer says
Miami Herald ^ | Jan. 26, 2004 | DANIEL de VISE

Posted on 01/26/2004 4:48:57 PM PST by AlwaysLurking

Limbaugh's pill use not extraordinary, lawyer says

BY DANIEL de VISE ddevise@herald.com

Rush Limbaugh's attorney mounted an offensive Monday, accusing Palm Beach County prosecutors of smear tactics and likening his client to any ordinary American with chronic pain.

''This nation is full of people who take medication every day and will do so for the rest of their lives,'' said Roy Black, speaking in a news conference in Miami.

Discussing the prescription-drug abuse allegations in unprecedented detail, Black reasoned that the quantity of medicine Limbaugh is accused of ingesting -- 1,800 pills in 210 days -- works out to roughly 8.5 pills a day, ``certainly not an outrageous amount.''

Black questioned the motives of Palm Beach County State Attorney Barry Krischer in releasing details last week of sensitive plea negotiations between Limbaugh and prosecutors.

The December correspondence, unflattering to Limbaugh, shows the radio talk-show host proposing to settle the case through treatment, potentially averting a permanent criminal record. Prosecutors counter: Plead guilty to a single felony charge of ''doctor shopping'' and avoid prison time. Both offers were rejected.

Black said the plea negotiations shouldn't have been released. He portrayed the incident as part of a politically motivated campaign to discredit his client.

Black said the government's plea offer came with a veiled threat: If Limbaugh did not plead guilty, the state would release his confidential medical records.

''The only conclusion that I can draw is that Mr. Limbaugh ... is being singled out more than anyone else for actions that no one else in this community would be subjected to,'' Black said.

Black and other prominent South Florida attorneys said they couldn't recall another case of plea negotiations released to the public.

''There has to be some thought about the long-term consequence'' of routinely releasing such documents, said Robert Jarvis, a law professor at Nova Southeastern University. ``And the long-term consequence in this case is that no one would begin a negotiation about a plea.''

But Michael Edmondson, spokesman for the Palm Beach County state attorney, said prosecutors were confident they'd done the right thing.

Prosecutors consulted the Attorney General's Office and the Florida Bar in response to the Jan. 15 public records request by the Landmark Legal Foundation, which sought all available documents in the case. They concluded the state public records law required releasing the plea dealings, even though doing so violates ethical rules for lawyers.

''The way the Florida public records law works is, anything that is not specifically exempted under the law is permitted,'' Edmondson said. State law trumps any ethical concerns, he said.

But he offered nothing in writing to back up that account. And Limbaugh's legal team produced documents Monday that seemed to contradict it.

Telephone notes from a Florida Bar attorney, paraphrasing Kirscher himself, state that plea negotiations ``are not normally to be revealed [and] so may or may not be [a] public record.''

Attorney General spokeswoman JoAnn Carrin wouldn't say what legal advice her agency gave the chief Palm Beach County prosecutor, citing the ongoing investigation.

Prosecutors began investigating possible prescription-drug abuses by Limbaugh, 53, last year, based on a report from his former maid. Limbaugh has not been charged with any crime.

Limbaugh's attorney accused Edmondson, the state attorney spokesman, of leaking a false story last month that Limbaugh was poised to plead guilty to doctor-shopping. Edmondson denied the assertion.

Doctor-shopping is duping multiple physicians into dispensing excessive prescription medications.

''I can say categorically now that Mr. Limbaugh would not plead guilty to doctor-shopping, and that's because Mr. Limbaugh did not engage in doctor-shopping of any kind,'' Black said.


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To: ClintonBeGone
...unless Rush told his doctor about it.

Like I said "you have no evidence." You don't have the "unless." Do I have to draw you a picture? Should I use crayons or big colored felt tip markers?

401 posted on 01/27/2004 5:21:37 PM PST by TigersEye (Dean people suck!)
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To: ClintonBeGone
(Drawing with big crayons here -)

... more than just proof that he BOUGHT drugs, it shows if there is a potential violation ...

The second part in bold contradicts the first part which is not bolded.
D.o...y.o.u...u.n.d.e.r.s.t.a.n.d...t.h.a.t.?

402 posted on 01/27/2004 5:25:01 PM PST by TigersEye (Dean people suck!)
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To: TigersEye
I'm still waiting for CBG's treatise on the legality of the persecutor's office's release of the memos with the specific heading saying they were confidential. But that's probably OK in CBG's world, whatever the color of the sky there.
403 posted on 01/27/2004 5:25:32 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (The only good news for Democrats is they could save $$ by switching to Geico.)
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To: TigersEye
Like I said "you have no evidence." You don't have the "unless."

Remember, I've been saying ALL DAY that that is the only element that WE are not aware of. Brush up on your reading comprehension & memory and maybe we can try this again tomorrow.

404 posted on 01/27/2004 5:27:16 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.)
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To: TigersEye
correction - is contradictory to instead of contradicts. (It's hard to draw with crayons on a keyboard.)
405 posted on 01/27/2004 5:27:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Dean people suck!)
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To: TigersEye
I think CBG's got a severe noradrenaline deficiency. He appears to be inured to zekhood.

It's The Law, I Tell You!!! The Law, The Law!!

Of course, turning in runaway slaves was The Law at one time, too...

406 posted on 01/27/2004 5:29:43 PM PST by an amused spectator (articulating AAS' thoughts on FR since 1997)
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To: ClintonBeGone
You have been saying it all day and then turning around, as you did just a post or two ago, and saying "it is evidence." It is not. My comprehension is fine yours sucks. Your inconsistency is glaring. "It's proof ... unless ..." And of course the "unless" is at this point a given.
407 posted on 01/27/2004 5:29:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Dean people suck!)
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To: an amused spectator
That's just the example I was thinking of. At one time, post civil war, it was illegal to sell a gun to a black man. CBG would have the man hanged who sold a gun to a black man irregardless of whether the black guy was being threatened with death. "It's the law!!!!"
408 posted on 01/27/2004 5:33:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Dean people suck!)
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To: Keith in Iowa
It's very curious that unsubstantiated allegations are so meaningful in one case and not the other. Thanks for your comments. I think drawing CBG out is all that was necessary. Lurkers will see just what you did.
409 posted on 01/27/2004 5:43:18 PM PST by TigersEye (Dean people suck!)
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To: tessalu
The "Issue" is MONEY!!

"Oxycontin" is EXPENSIVE!!

To the "Insurance Company," ALL OTHER ISSUES are "Secondary."

If Mr Limbaugh's Pain could be adequately Controlled by a "Cheaper Medication," (Methadone, Morphine, etc..) there would be NO "Controversy!!"

The "Insurance Company" is ONLY reacting to the "Cost" of a Given Treatment.

Decisions about a Given Pharmacological Treatment are NOT made by Physicians employed by the Given Insurance Company--these "Decisions" are made by Pharmacists, who have NO Experience in Patient Care.

A "Doc" has to spend Literally HOURS in Phone Consultation with Individuals UTTERLY UNTRAINED in Patient Care to get "Authorization for" Treatment Modalities for patients with unusual Problems, requiring "Out of the Ordinary Medication Regimens!!"

The "System" DOESN'T WORK!!

MANY "Deathly Ill Patients" have Lifesaving Treatments Delayed or Denied by "Insurance Company Drones" INCAPABLE of making "LifeSaving Decisions!!"

If We're going to Spend Several Hundred Thousand Dollars training an "Elite Cadre" of "Doctors,"--& THEN Show them that a "Pharmacist" with ~20% of Their Training & Expertise can COUNTERMAND their judgement, WHY should a "Bright One" even THINK Sh/e would EVER Consider being a "Doc!!??" If the "STATE" Regards an "MD" as "Equivalent to" a "PharmD,"--then the "State" DESERVES the "Medical Care" It 'Gets!!!'"

As the "State of Massachusetts" SUES & Taxes & Regulates It's few Remaining "Md's" OUT OF EXISTENCE, The "People" of This State would do WELL to Remember---"Once Upon a Time," Massachussetts had the VERY BEST MEDICAL CARE in the ENTIRE WORLD!!... Something to Contemplate!!

A "PharmD" IS NOT an "MD!"

Doc Doc

410 posted on 01/27/2004 6:03:49 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: TigersEye
Good ... now look back to the days around Dec 15th and find him saying there was no plea NEGOTIATIONS going on ...

411 posted on 01/27/2004 6:04:54 PM PST by RS (Just because they're out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: TigersEye
"It's the law!!!!"

He keeps equating the Clinton thing and the Limbaugh thing - all while neglecting to mention that the Clintonites were NOT bound by the "law".

They mean beat the law-abiding down with a legal code as thick as the tax code - while ignoring the same laws themselves.

Now we are beginning to understand what was done to the American Indians. Our "treaty" with them is the Constitution, and our Rights will be ours "as long as the wind shall blow, and the grass grow". Or until the Left controls the judiciary, and then we see what they do with the "treaty".

412 posted on 01/27/2004 6:07:20 PM PST by an amused spectator (articulating AAS' thoughts on FR since 1997)
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To: RS
The third letter is the rejection.

This was mere negotiation if anything. It is standard procedure for an attorney to communicate potential resolutions for cases which are in pre-filing.

A plea bargan is what you have after negotiations are complete. Much like a contract exists after agreement has been met.
413 posted on 01/27/2004 6:29:35 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: RS
They responded with a preposterous offer. Discussions ended at that time. At no time was there ever a plea agreement of any kind.

And it looks like he was still saying it on Jan. 23rd. What's your point?

414 posted on 01/27/2004 6:41:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Dean people suck!)
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To: an amused spectator
Now we are beginning to understand what was done to the American Indians. Our "treaty" with them is the Constitution, and our Rights will be ours "as long as the wind shall blow, and the grass grow". Or until the Left controls the judiciary, and then we see what they do with the "treaty".

That's a very good point. The law-and-order statist type believes that the courts decide what's law and the covenant with the people known as the Constitution is whatever they say it is.

415 posted on 01/27/2004 6:47:07 PM PST by TigersEye (Dean people suck!)
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To: TigersEye
"And it looks like he was still saying it on Jan. 23rd. What's your point?"

No ... go back into Clinton mode where you have to read every word he says ...

Back around the 15th, when the plea bargaining letters were passing between him and the SA - which HE instigated, he was saying that the roumers were false and there were no NEGOTIATIONS going on.

Now it has changed slightly to where it is plea agreement, trying to make people think he was never lying about being in negotiation.

No plea agreement ? Well duh Mr. Black... if there was an agreement you and Limbaugh would be all over the media.
416 posted on 01/27/2004 6:48:42 PM PST by RS (Just because they're out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: AlwaysLurking
Since the Palm Beach State Attorney, Barry Krischer, seems to be soliciting input from the public about his handling of the Rush Limbaugh matter, Freepers may want to use this link to respectfully provide him with their views as well.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/to_sao.guest.html
417 posted on 01/27/2004 6:51:10 PM PST by holdonnow
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To: RS
I'll give you a buck for your house.

There. We were "in negotiations" over the price of your house.

418 posted on 01/27/2004 6:53:35 PM PST by an amused spectator (articulating AAS' thoughts on FR since 1997)
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To: RS
Hey, RS, every time someone nails you on your stupidity, you move on to some other argument. Dumbass.
419 posted on 01/27/2004 6:57:50 PM PST by holdonnow
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To: holdonnow
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1066482/posts

I think this deserves its very own thread, don't you???
420 posted on 01/27/2004 6:57:59 PM PST by AlwaysLurking
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