Wesley Clark interview - a must read.
And he's Michael Moore's guy.
Look, if a liberal Democratic president can sexually abuse, fondle and rape women with impunity, then a liberal Democratic presidential candidate is certainly entitled to 'off' a few innocent people and lie about it.
Great find. The more Clark speaks, the more he hangs himself.
You knew he wouldn't last.
He'll finish fourth tonight, if that.
"I did not know that the tape was accelerated. I don't think it was three times. I think it was one-and-a-half times."
Well which is it - not accelerated or one and a half times? Clark can't hold a candle to Clinton's lying abilities.
Ex-Dutch PM questioned in NATO bombing trial | 17:55 -> 19:20 | B92, Reuters
THE HAGUE -- Monday – Ex-Dutch Prime Minister Wim Kok told a court on Monday his government did not have any influence over pinpointing specific NATO bomb targets in Serbia five years ago in a damages claim by relatives of victims.
A lawyer representing relatives of those killed in NATO raids on a Serbian state television station in Belgrade and the Nis region quizzed the elder statesman at a hearing which they hope could eventually lead to a civil damages case.
Kok was premier of the Netherlands - a founding member of NATO - during 1999 air strikes by the alliance against the former Yugoslavia in a bid to force it to withdraw from Kosovo where its troops were blamed for driving out the majority ethnic Albanian population.
At a preliminary hearing in the Hague district court, Kok said that while NATO member states agreed to air strikes against certain types of targets, "the Netherlands did not have any influence on the choice of individual targets".
More than a dozen victims and relatives of victims from NATO attacks on the RTS television station on April 23 and on Nis on May 7, 1999, initiated the hearing to determine whether there is evidence the air strikes breached humanitarian law.
"They (the plaintiffs) are considering civil proceedings against the state and eventually also against the people, who according to them were responsible for decision making on the attacks," the Hague court said.
Also testifying today, former Dutch Foreign Minister Jozias van Aartsen said the national television station was an important communication tool of the Serb side. “It was the private property of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic and his family,” he told the court.
Kok admitted there had been a lot of “technical problems” during the bombing of Nis on May 7, in which cluster bombs are said to have killed 15 people in the town’s market place. The former PM said this did not mean the use of cluster bombs was illegal.
The head of the Association of Peace Lawyers, one of the groups behind the charges, said the preliminary hearing had established the need for a full trial.
“I think it’s been established that the Dutch government was involved in the decision-making within NATO and that it was responsible for the selection of targets and the attacks that ensued,” said Meindert Stelling.
B92 learns from unofficial sources that some relatives of the victims dismissed Dutch lawyer Nik Steinen over his involvement in the defence of Milosevic at the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague.
Great post, DTA...thanks...
Here's a little Q+A for y'all:
What's the difference between IRAQ and KOSOVO?
Q: Why did America bomb Serbia?
A: Clinton claimed in 1999 that a genocide was taking place. His administration claimed that over 100,000 Albanians were being killed. But today, the UN has determined that none of that was true. Less than 3,000 people died. There was no genocide.
Q. Why would they lie about a genocide?
A. Because they had no other reason to attack Serbia and drive the Serbs out of Kosovo. They needed a reason, something in which the public would believe.
Q. But why did they need a reason?
A. Because they needed to find a reason for NATO to exist. Some also claim that America needed a reason to show off it's military power and might in the world. Send a message to countries like China and Russia that they were the most powerful. (It is ironic that they accidentally hit a Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, Serbia)
Q. Why did they pick on Serbia?
A. Because after four wars in the balkans, they thought the Serbs would cave in easily and give up without a fight. When Clinton was asked days before the bombing, how long the war would last, he said less than a week. The war lasted for over 78 days. Longer than the Gulf War!
Q. How is it possible that so many people believed in the lie about genocide?
A. Simple. They showed a few dozen dead bodies from one town and claimed it was a masscare. In fact, they once showed satellite images of what they claimed were mass graves. After the war it was determined that the images were fake. It is not very hard to make one side look like the Nazis. Many countries consider the Isralies and Americans to be genocidal. Just depends on how you spin the images on the news.
Q. But why didn't anyone question these numbers of 100,000 killed and other claims? Why didn't people call the administration on that lie?
A. It's very hard to take a stand on the issue of genocide. The other side simply wins based on a few images. If you take a stand agaisnt it, you appear cold and inhuman. If someone shows a picture of a dead child, it is hard to argue. You take a few images of refugees, a few dead bodies, and you repeat them over and over again until it becomes a fact. The truth has come out now, but it's AFTER THE FACT. (Imagine if a police officer heard screaming coming from your house. The cop kicks down the door and shoots you because he thinks you're killing your wife. Later the truth comes out: It was just wild sex. Well, nothing can be done after the fact. It was assumed murder was taking place, so it is all okay.) Today when Clark is questioned on the lies about genocide, he says: "We thought a genocide was taking place. So our motives were good."
Q. So Clark and Clinton thought people were being murdered?
A. No, they knew it was a lie. But today they use that excuse to avoid attacks like Bush is getting on WMD in Iraq.
Q. What's the difference between the Clinton/Clark lie on genocide and the Bush lie on WMD?
A. First of all, there was proof that Iraq had WMD before the war. Even Clinton said this was a fact! The CIA told Bush there were WMD. And we know Saddam used WMD on his own people. Before Bush went into Iraq, the idea of WMD were simply an idea. There was no proof. When Clinton and Clark claimed there was a genocide, they used one massacre as their proof. So they had something to show for it from day one. LATER it was revealed that the massacare was a lie and that no genocide took place.
Q. So there's proof that there was no genocide and no mass graves. Why doesn't the world stand up in outrage?
A. Because no Americans are being killed in Kosovo. So they consider it a success. No reason to complain if your own people are not being killed daily. Would the Iraq war be debated today if no US soldiers were being killed? Politicans shout in outrage when they see blood. They use it for their own needs. Kosovo didn't kill any US soldiers, so there's nothing more to be said.
Q. Who did the Americans help in Kosovo?
A. The KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army). A group the US State Department classified as a TERRORIST group in 1998. A group funded and linked to Osama Bin Laden.
Q. But how can Clinton and Clark support a group linked to Osama Bin Laden?
A. Because it was before 9-11. And it was not an outrage to support terrorists. Today the idea of it would make most people sick, but not in 1999. Also, Clinton and Clark needed ground troops in Kosovo to avoid losing their own men. So the KLA worked perfectly. Clark provided them air-cover, the KLA provided the boots on the ground.
Q. Why didn't American soldiers die in Kosovo, but they're dying in Iraq?
A. In Iraq you have terrorists and angry Iraqis doing the killing. In Kosovo, the Americans were on the side of the terrorists - KLA. So the terrorists in Kosovo are more than happy with their pals and allies.
Q. But why didn't the Serbs rise up and fight?
A. Because there are hardly any Serbs left. The Americans helped the KLA drive the Serbs out of Kosovo. Over 250,000 Serbs, Roma, Bosnians, and Jews were driven from Kosovo. Today Kosovo is nearly 97% Albanian. America took one side against the other. The other side is mostly gone. There's no threat when the entire population was on your side.
Q. But in Iraq, ordinary civilians are killing Americans.
A. That's true, but that's because there is no ONE SIDE that feels any loyalty for America. Everyone equally views the Americans as the enemy or problem. In Kosovo, you have a group of people who fear the Serbs will return. So they embrace the American soldiers as protectors. No one wants to kill the Americans and return to Serbian rule.
Q. How could America help ethnically cleanse a part of Europe?
A. They did much worse before. In 1995, Clinton helped the Croats drive over 300,000 Serbs from Croatia.
http://www.balkanpeace.org/rs/archive/july00/rs60.shtml Q. Why was Kosovo so important to the Serbs?
A. Kosovo was their birthplace. Imagine if America lost New York, or if Israel lost Jerusaleum.
Q. I thought Milosevic was the evil man?
A. Nearly 95% of Serbs supported Milosevic in Kosovo. Today there are no Serbs who consider what the Americans did a favor, or a good thing. To the Serbian people, the bombing in 1999 was their September 11th.
Q. Is Milosevic like Saddam Hussain?
A. Milosevic was elected. Saddam was not. Serbs supported Milosevic.
http://www.rense.com/general9/dif.htm Q. Isn't the world safer without Milosevic in power?
A. Unlike Saddam, Milosevic NEVER invaded another country, or used Weapons of Mass Destruction. Milosevic never gassed anyone. Milosevic never used missiles on another nation. The only war Milosevic sent troops in was Kosovo: And that was a CIVIL WAR. Imagine Lincoln during the American Civil War. During the Civil War, over 500,000 Americans died, but Lincoln is considered a hero. The war is not viewed in a bad light because by nature a Civil War is natural to most nations.
Q. How can America get involved in a Civil War?
A. It may be the first time in history that America attacked a soverign nation with an internal dispute.
Q. But I thought the first time America attacked a country without provocation was in Iraq?
A. No. America attacked Serbia, which posed NO THREAT, for the first time. They simply used the title NATO member so they could justify NATO's existence. But America supplied over 90% of the planes and bombs.
Q. Did America get UN approval for Kosovo?
A. No way!!! Today democrats are attacking Bush on skipping the UN, but in 1999 Clinton skipped UN altogther. The reason was because he knew Russia would veto the vote.
Q. Today in Iraq, many people are being killed. But in Kosovo, no one is dying. Why is that?
A. Actually, in Kosovo people ARE being killed. But they're not American, so no one cares. Those being killed are Serbs and Gypsies. A few weeks ago two Serb children were gunned down. The other crimes in the past week: A fisherman killed. A farmer killed. A bus blown up killing eleven. A gypsy girl raped and stabbed. A nun pelted with rocks. Children beat up by gangs.
http://www.kosovo.com/default2.html Q. How many Serbs have suffered since the end of the war?
A. Over 1,200 Serbs are still missing. Most of them abducted or killed after Wesley Clark marched into Kosovo. Over 150 Christian churches have been blown up and destroyed. Some of them as old as 600 years old. Today Serbian children can barely go to school. Women are raped in the street. Even those Albanians who are friendly to Serbs are gunned down and killed.
Q. Why is no one saying anything against this?
A. Because America is afraid if they stand up to it, they will have to fight these terrorists. As long as no one is killing them, it's okay.
Q. The KLA are linked to Osama Bin Laden?
A.
http://www.realitymacedonia.org.mk/web/news_page.asp?nid=365 Q. Does the US know about this?
A. Oh YES!!
http://www.diaspora-net.org/food4thought/binladen__kla.htm Q. What are the other countries in the region doing about it?
A. Actually, Macedonia has been destabalized because of Kosovo. And there are chances the same could happen in neighboring Greece!!
Q. Macedonia? What is happening there?
A. Pretty much the same thing. The KLA simply changed their name to UCK or NLA and crossed the border into Macedonia to stir up hell. A few hundred people died before a peace deal was signed. But most Macedonians consider them to be TERRORISTS also. Macedonia is on the verge of being split in half because of the KLA (UCK, NLA). Today Macedonians living in the regions controlled by the KLA are living in terror. People are being killed, beaten, raped, and terrorized on a daily basis. Read more on Macedonian problems:
http://www.realitymacedonia.org.mk/web/news_page.asp?nid=417 Q. So let me get this straight: Clinton and Wesley Clark bombed Serbia for 78 days so they could find a reason for NATO to exist in the world. They used a LIE about genocide in Kosovo to go to war. Everyone went along with it because it was hard to dismiss. Clinton and Clark used a TERRORIST group in Kosovo to help drive the Serbs out. And today Kosovo is peaceful, but only because most minorities were driven out?
A. YES!!!!!!
Q. So Iraq and Kosovo are very similar in more ways than one?
A. If you're against the invasion of Iraq (we do not take a stand on that war) then you should naturally be disgusted and angered by the Kosovo conflict. If you're disgusted by the fact that no WMD were found in Iraq, then you should be shocked that no genocide was found in Kosovo. If you are angered that America bypassed the UN to bomb a soverign nation, then you should be pissed that Clinton avoided the UN vote to bomb Kosovo. If the deaths of innocent lives in Iraq disturbs you, then you should be upset that thousands of innocent people were killed in Kosovo at Wesley Clark's hand. Unless of course, you are partisan and only interested in the suffering of American lives.
http://build.tripod.lycos.com/trellix/sitebuilder/f_edit_page.html I've always doubted the guilt of Milosevic!The way and timing of this war was highly suspect as it coincided with Clinton's domestic problems and i think in large part,because Milosevic was not willing to give up his country's sovreinty.This was a u.n.induced war to further its control and agenda.It just seemed strange that CNN was sitting there at a certain border crossing for days knowing which direction the refugees were coming out!
God bless the questioner-- this man needs to be grilled and exposed for the low life he is.