Howard Dean's 'smart ID' plan; called for national ID card and ID's in PCs.

ZDNET ^ | 01/26/04 | Declan McCullagh

[elbucko]

That's a lot of government snooping just so we can allow the Muslims to wander from "sea to shining sea" unhampered.

[VU4G10]

Oh (BIG) brother.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

My daughter was home lately and did something to my sound.
I can't listen.

Brief me, please.

[HungarianGypsy]

And a dimwit friend I have doesn't understand why I find Dean terrifying?

[elbucko]

Dean was stupid enough to tell the truth.

Very true. Both the Dems and Pubs at high levels want this kind of "security", mainly for themselves and not the public. The hard part is how to make it seem constitutional and get the populace to surrender more of their "right to privacy".

[TXFireman]

yikes

[Liberal Classic]

When computers are outlawed...

[AzSteven]

What a maroon - you would think somebody running for President might think that 'hey, those things I said in the past might come back to haunt me'.

I find it hard to get too worked up about the whole National ID thing though. Not that I am in favor of it; its just too late to worry about it. We have had one for decades. Your SSN links to EVERYTHING.

All you need to do to get the effect of a national ID card is to put together a computer system that cross-links data from the various levels and agencies of government, banks and credit card houses. With that (not necessarily a simple or trivial task), and SSNs, you have all the data you need on nearly everyone.

Some of us used to go out of our way to not put our SSN on things, but that is increasingly becoming impossible, unless you plan on living the rest of your life on a mountain in Montana, eating only what you raise, purchasing only with cash, and almost never doing business in stores.

Kinda makes ya want to put on the Tin Foil Hat(tm)

[longtermmemmory]

We need wacko talking points on all the candidates. Kerry right now, Edwards too. I bet some court transcripts are doosys.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...The hard part is how to make it seem constitutional and get the populace to surrender more of their "right to privacy"...

The next decent sized terror strike, whether real or not, will be enough.

[eno_]

unless you plan on living the rest of your life on a mountain in Montana, eating only what you raise, purchasing only with cash, and almost never doing business in stores.

Or living much of the year offshore and conducting a lot of business from places where the local JBTs can't afford such shiny toys as we have.

[_Jim]

inject an ID chip into one's hand

Like - you couldn't wear an 'aluminum glove'?

[_Jim]

    and conducting a lot of business from places where the local JBTs can't ...

Oh yeah, JUST be sure to budget for the required 'tribute' that has to be paid to the local 'officials' in charge of that country ...

[skip2myloo]

You think I could find one that matches my tin foil hat ??

[longtermmemmory]

why only those? Because they don't want the ordinary joe building their own system. Only big taxable corporations should be able to do "stuff". No small business only big taxable, campaign fund giving, corporations.

[_Jim]

      One prominent group that did support a standardized ID at the time is the New Democrats' public policy wing, which has suggested that microchip-implanted smart cards could

Hmmm ... I'll bet this same group is opposed to the Patriot Act, YET, they're in favor of this tool of totalitarianism.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

I have always found the tribute to be far cheaper in most other places and quite often the local politicians are honest enough to stay bought.

[_Jim]

You think I could find one that matches my tin foil hat ??

No doubt about - one of Alex Jone's sponsors is bound to see the 'profit opportunity' here (along with contrail cures, water purifiers etc) ...

[_Jim]

often the local politicians are honest enough to stay bought.

THAT is important ... how does one list that (the tribute) as a line-item in a 'budget' anyway?

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

When I used to travel Latin around Latin America on business, my company expense report had a line for "extraneous gratuities."

When on my own, I don't keep track of how much, just who.