How Bush could lose it

OC Register ^ | 1/25/04 | John Hood

[NormsRevenge]

President George W. Bush blew it Tuesday night. He delivered a State of the Union address that downplayed his most promising - and potentially revolutionary - domestic-policy initiatives. Earlier drafts had reportedly contained a lengthy exposition of his vision of an "ownership society," expanded and strengthened by tax changes and Social Security reform.

[lsmith1990]

""I believe that the Republicans will turn back to a more conservative approach if they lose enough conservative voters to hurt them in the elections.""

what would happen if they didnt lose? Conservative then would really be marginalized.

But I reject this line of thinking that thibgs need to get really bad (more 9/11s) before the people will wake up and vote conservative. I dont want thinks to get bad before they get better.


Doesnt McClintok's 13% support, far below what any poll predicted, give you guys on the far right any pause what so ever? Dont you not realize how small in the minority you really are?

[MEG33]

It's an election year.Complain all you wish,I have.I don't believe a dem for president is good for the country.Bush is a good though imperfect man.The country will not accept all the conservative things you wish,therefore it is a choice between Bush and a dem.

[RUSure]

I agree with rifle man...
Deficits do matter, especially if they are growing. Payments on interest cut into what we can afford for other programs (or don't allow us to lower taxes). They also have the effect of raising long-term interest rates. This makes it harder for average Americans to 'afford' the American dream (house, college education, starting a business, etc.).

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

If they are such a small minority, then why do you care how they vote? It sounds to me that their numbers are growing and that scares you. Perhaps it should start others thinking also. But it probably won't.

[lsmith1990]

"'I agree with rifle man...
Deficits do matter, especially if they are growing. Payments on interest cut into what we can afford for other programs (or don't allow us to lower taxes). They also have the effect of raising long-term interest rates. This makes it harder for average Americans to 'afford' the American dream (house, college education, starting a business, etc.)"'

So much wrong here I'm not sure where to start.

What matters is the Debt/GDP ratio and whether it is rising or falling, not to dollar size of the annual deficit or total debt. Are you suggesting no deficits during a recession? tax increases perhaps? Herbert Hoover?

There is NO statistically significant relationship between deficits and interest rates, in an open economy. Housing is more affordable today than perhaps at any time in American history, this despite a 400b deficit.

A lot of Keynesian-think going on from the previous poster

[Dec31,1999]

I am just trying to get Dane and you and all of the others back to what FR says it was suppose to be about.

And you are exactly right to do so, IMO. It's simply un-American not to voice grievances against the government. But to cut off your nose to spite your face is a different matter altogether.

If you don't want to vote for the President, you should start thinking about which Democratic candidate you would like to lead us in the war against terror. Who would you trust as Commander in Chief? My choice is Bush.

I DO wish he would stop pandering to people who are not going to vote for him anyway, though.

[MEG33]

It is a forum.We do encourage debate.We are concerned that people we normally feel close to are willing to see a dem in the Presidency and don't seem to care.They seem oblivious to the CIC choice that would make,too.

[PersonalLiberties]

okay, at least now people are discussing more. Thank you.

Someone else mentioned the debt. Can someone tell me if being in deep national debt makes it easier for foreign countries to take ownership of American properties? Don't laugh. What are we leveraging are national debt with?

[Dec31,1999]

Neither actually. I live in TX. If GWB is in danger of losing TX then he has lost so many other states he has lost the election. I can vote my conscience and it will have 0 effect on GWB. But at least I would have made my stand.

It's funny you should say that. I live in NY, where my vote won't matter a dang anyway, either, LOL!

[Bella]

Well, we can look at this scenario..He can always cancel the elections and declare martial law if another disaster occurs and there's been a lot of sites talking about it..What's the term the DUmmies use?? They have some abbreviations for it..

[Dane]

I believe that the Republicans will turn back to a more conservative approach if they lose enough conservative voters to hurt them in the elections

Sorry, but, IMO this country can't afford your pollyanish hypothetical pipe dreams.

[Dane]

I am now going to vote for the Constitiution Party

With your telling us 1000 times that you are voting CP, you are becoming like John Kerry. Did you know that John Kerry was a Vietnam vet.

[13foxtrot]

The war on terror is well underway. The democrats could not do much worse/better than the Rove Republicans are doing:

1) open borders
2) not profiling
3) protecting SA
4) china pandering
5) wishy-washy Pali-Isreal policy
...

If the Rove Republicans were truly aggressively prosecuting the war on terror then I would vote Republican. I would consider a strong war on terror a fair trade in exchange for the harm their other policies cause.

[Dane]

The democrats could not do much worse/better than the Rove Republicans are doing:

You are either very naive or a DU troll.

A demo would be kissing the ring of Kofi Annan and the UN.

[PersonalLiberties]

Someone posted on here earlier that this was the last chance to get a conservative into office because of the changing demographics of our country. If that is true, then would not it already be too late now as Bush is not what many would deem a conservative?

[MEG33]

Are you a plant?

[Ima Lurker]

I see huge numbers of moderate Democrats coming over to our side

I'm seeing the same thing here as far as moderate Democrats go, however I am also seeing Republicans who are very disappointed in Bush, with "non-amnesty" amnesty being the final straw. Most are saying they will sit this election out. Ofcourse, the election is still a long way off and things change.

[PersonalLiberties]

I agree how does not tighening our border help the war on terror. How does not singling out unpopular offenders such as Saudi Arabi, help?

[lsmith1990]

"Someone else mentioned the debt. Can someone tell me if being in deep national debt makes it easier for foreign countries to take ownership of American properties? Don't laugh. What are we leveraging are national debt with?"'

depends on who is holding the debt. Japan is heavily in debt more so than the USA, but it is not in "danger" of being owned by foreigners.

[Dane]

Someone posted on here earlier that this was the last chance to get a conservative into office because of the changing demographics of our country. If that is true, then would not it already be too late now as Bush is not what many would deem a conservative

Oh the old demographic scare.

Hispanics have been an increasing % of the population in Texas in the last 10 years. In that same 10 years the Pubbies have gained control of the Texas state govt. Please explain that.

Oh BTW, you may retort that California was a reliable Republican state. Back in the 70's they elected and re-elected one of the most liberal governors there ever was, Jerry Brown(aka Gov. Moonbeam)