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Couple lose their home over $120 debt
The Sacramento Bee ^ | January 24, 2004 | Michael Kolber -- Bee Staff Writer

Posted on 01/25/2004 5:49:41 AM PST by DelaWhere

Edited on 04/12/2004 6:04:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Couple lose their home over $120 debt By Michael Kolber -- Bee Staff Writer Published 2:15 a.m. PST Saturday, January 24, 2004 Get weekday updates of Sacramento Bee headlines and breaking news. Sign up here.

COPPEROPOLIS -- A retired couple's dispute with their homeowners association has spiraled out of control in this Calaveras County community -- and now they have lost their home less than a year after failing to pay $120 in annual dues.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: abuse; association; constitution; homeowner; property; propertyrights; radcliff; rights
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To: sauropod
Whichever response I make would be meaningless to this discussion. Discussion over.
341 posted on 01/26/2004 7:39:54 AM PST by Johnny_Cipher (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com/ sounds good to me!)
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To: MissAmericanPie; hellinahandcart; Carry_Okie; madfly; hosepipe; Noumenon; harpseal; Movemout; ...
"The U.N.'s Agenda 21 is promoting it in cities and townships across America. A thick, expensively packaged, packet was hand delivered to our door and every door in town urging that we develop neighborhood associations."

Reason enough to oppose this. I had forgotten about this connection: "Consensus building."

342 posted on 01/26/2004 7:42:11 AM PST by sauropod (What happens at CPAC stays at CPAC)
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To: MissAmericanPie; hellinahandcart; Carry_Okie; madfly; hosepipe; Noumenon; harpseal; Movemout; ...
MissAmericanPie; hellinahandcart; carry_okie; madfly; hosepipe; noumenon; harpseal; movemout; countrydummy; johnny_cipher "The U.N.'s Agenda 21 is promoting it in cities and townships across America. A thick, expensively packaged, packet was hand delivered to our door and every door in town urging that we develop neighborhood associations."

Reason enough to oppose this. I had forgotten about this connection: "Consensus building."

343 posted on 01/26/2004 7:43:46 AM PST by sauropod (What happens at CPAC stays at CPAC)
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To: Johnny_Cipher
Well, I agree with your tagline ;-).
344 posted on 01/26/2004 7:44:19 AM PST by sauropod (What happens at CPAC stays at CPAC)
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To: RGSpincich
I am thinking the owner had the appraisal for 258. Amazing that they suddenly have money for that which in my area is at least 250$$
345 posted on 01/26/2004 8:12:28 AM PST by alisasny (Thankyou to all who made 12/28 party so wonderful in NYC)
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To: sauropod
[ Reason enough to oppose this. I had forgotten about this connection: "Consensus building." ]

Pod.... Since any property tax is in effect RENT to local government (even on "owned" homes) this has legs (if it does) because of far deeper problems rooted in socialism. Scrap the socialism problem is gone, if you don't, theres a plethora of this and other problems as symptoms to the disease. Democracy is a prelude to socailism which is a prelude to communism.... as Karl Marx and Lenin clearly saw... Once, our unique form of a Republic is gone.. morphed into a democracy.. the other stages will naturally proceed.. as it is NOW...

Thats what ails the republicans, cutting off the lizards tail instead of its HEAD... POD.. this is just a tail...

346 posted on 01/26/2004 8:13:21 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: hosepipe
I understand.

A lot of the "head" is the "Global Governance" stuff the UN is trying to push. As I am sure you know, all one has to do is look at the Biodiversity Treaty, the Seville Strategy, ad nauseum...

347 posted on 01/26/2004 8:49:59 AM PST by sauropod (What happens at CPAC stays at CPAC)
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To: sauropod
[ A lot of the "head" is the "Global Governance" stuff the UN is trying to push. As I am sure you know, all one has to do is look at the Biodiversity Treaty, the Seville Strategy, ad nauseum... ]

The UN is evil as is abortion on demand, socialism (of various types), Islam , central banking, and Hillary Clinton ... Theres a lot of evil in the world.. Actually theres various forms of evil in the town I live in too... SO what do you do! ?

Count your blessings.. and be grateful for them, because gratitude is the rarest commodity on earth... Do That.. as Bob Dylan said, "You gotta serve somebody".. choose wisely..

348 posted on 01/26/2004 9:16:08 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: BSunday
Is making a profit blatantly from the misfortunes of others immoral? I would say Yes.

So, my doctor and dentist are both immoral for charging me a fee (with profit) when I go to them with an illness? Is my being ill not a misfortune? Seems pretty cold-hearted of you.

349 posted on 01/26/2004 10:53:03 AM PST by weaponeer
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To: Ditter
What is wrong with putting a lean on homes that don't pay homeowners associations what is due them? The lean would be paid off when the property is sold.

How about because then none of the homeowners would pay the fee, since they could defer them indefinitely. Then the Association would go broke and not be able to pay to maintain the roads, pools, property, and other services they were supposed to do. Then the homeowners would sue them for not performing in accordance with the agreement. :-)

350 posted on 01/26/2004 10:57:31 AM PST by weaponeer
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To: weaponeer
That was incredibly ridiculous.
351 posted on 01/26/2004 11:06:26 AM PST by BSunday (Yeeeaaaaaagh! Your grasp on the English language amazes me Mr. Dean)
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To: BSunday
Why? Where is the fallacy in logic? Or humor?
352 posted on 01/26/2004 11:26:18 AM PST by weaponeer
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To: weaponeer
It's called ad absurdum. Carrying the other guys argument past the point where it was intended, in order to hold it up to ridicule.
353 posted on 01/26/2004 11:29:03 AM PST by BSunday (Yeeeaaaaaagh! Your grasp on the English language amazes me Mr. Dean)
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To: BSunday
BS.

You said, "Is making a profit blatantly from the misfortunes of others immoral? I would say Yes."

Now, either you think (1) my doctor is immoral, or (2) you think my illness is not a misfortune.

Which is it?

Nothing absurd here other than the logic of your statement.

354 posted on 01/26/2004 11:34:25 AM PST by weaponeer
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To: weaponeer
The absurdity is you think your application of my statement is perfectly reasonable.
355 posted on 01/26/2004 11:36:29 AM PST by BSunday (Yeeeaaaaaagh! Your grasp on the English language amazes me Mr. Dean)
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To: FITZ
It's hard to believe people want to sign away their property rights for the security of having others tell them what to do.

Some HOA's can get pretty heavy handed, but some just maintain basic services from the dues. This sounded like a pretty upscale community, at least it had the potential for that. It's not fair for all of your neighbors to be the only ones to bear the burden of a community well, or maintaining gravel roads that all drive on, and with $120 (ten bucks a month) as the annual dues, I doubt the HOA was maintaining a swimming pool. If the HOA hadn't been providing basic utilities, then you can be sure some tax-levying authority would have been, and they get to foreclose, too.

Here in WA, you can't lose your home on petty judgments like this, it forms a lien on the property, and bears interest. At some time, the lien would have been paid when the home was sold or refinanced. It seems that CA needs to look at a possible change in the law to prevent hard cases like this one.

356 posted on 01/26/2004 11:36:48 AM PST by hunter112 ("Mr. Kerry, there's a 'Mr. Satan' here to see you? Something about picking up a soul?")
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To: sauropod
I know what I'd do, and I don't care if I got sent to jail for it...they could take the house...in a burnt to a crisp condition!
357 posted on 01/26/2004 11:46:33 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: sauropod
OK fine I give up. The old couple was the only party with rights. How hypocritical, condemning, and self righteous I must off seemed for failing to grasp a simple fact. Thanks for setting me straight. Also thanks for the cool new word.

Pharisaical.
358 posted on 01/26/2004 2:09:34 PM PST by Mark was here (My fan club: "Go abuse some family member, as I'm sure is your practice." - Principled)
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To: Mrs Mark
Glad to oblige. I am here to serve.
359 posted on 01/26/2004 2:11:15 PM PST by sauropod (What happens at CPAC stays at CPAC)
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To: sauropod; Mrs Mark
God made us Freepers. Prozac made us friends.

I enjoyed the debate!
360 posted on 01/26/2004 2:34:44 PM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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