[onedoug]

I admire W the courage of even attempting to convey a PLAN.

Maybe it won't scow after all is said and done. But it beats every criticism, and platitude thus far offered here in reply. Essentially NON-PROPOSALs, all.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

I admire W the courage of even attempting to convey a PLAN.

What's the need for a new plan? Congress already has a plan in place, it's called employer sanctions. The problem is they're not being enforced.

[Beck_isright]

"Maybe it won't scow after all is said and done. But it beats every criticism, and platitude thus far offered here in reply. Essentially NON-PROPOSALs, all."

You mean actually enforcing the existing laws is a "NON-PROPOSAL"????????????????????????????

[Zipporah]

"I admire W the courage of even attempting to convey a PLAN.".. how so?

[WilliamofCarmichael]

There have been plenty of proposals offered on the many threads on this subject. In fact, one solution was offered and passed by 60 percent of voters in California ten years ago.

Politics by the Dems killed it as Gov. Davis refused to support the appeal of the lowest federal court's decision.

It's on track to be on this November's ballot. Son of Prop 187 will deny public services in California that are not allowed for ILLEGAL aliens by federal law. It will also require local and state employees to report ILLEGALS.

Once taxpayer subsidized housing, food, and non-emergency health care are denied what can the affected ILLEGALS do but go home?

[Ohioan]

You suggest that none of us who oppose the President's immigration proposal, have offered anything but platitudes, etc.. But that is simply untrue. A number of posters have done considerable work, and made positive selections.

Frankly, I offer links to my own essays on the subject, rather than take up bandwith by posting them, as a consideration both to the Forum and to other posters. It would take you only a couple of seconds to click on the links below, to read my proposals on Immigration--which incidentally are consistent with my support for the McCarran-Walter Immigration Act from my Freshman year in College, on. The following essay, simply brings the argument for an origins conscious policy--the traditional Conservative approach--up to date:

Immigration & The American Future.

If you want to debate ideas on immigration, by all means do so. But do not just rely on the argument that at least the Administration has a proposal, as a reason to accept that proposal.

William Flax