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To: _Jim
I gather that you are speaking specifically of DR Greer et al's stuff . . .

but are you really--from careful examination of their particular project in some detail?

or are you just speaking generically of all such?
74 posted on 01/25/2004 7:35:34 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
or are you just speaking generically of all such?

To date, the success of these people has been ZERO.

The cases I have had the opportunity to review - the individuals misinterpret, misidentify, mis-characterize or don't understand their 'lab work' or their 'device'.

Whether it was misinterpreting the 'peak' versus average or RMS (Root Mean Square) value of a waveform as read on a voltmeter as opposed to integrating that waveform on a digital oscilloscope and taking into account such factors as 'phase angle' (or power factor) - or incorrectly performing mathematical calculations to calculate efficiency of their 'device' -

- they turn out to be either wrong or hiding details in order to convince investors in the 'possibility' of their device

75 posted on 01/25/2004 7:44:27 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Quix
A WONDERFUL, down to earth 'reference' for those who insist on 'buying ino' the rubbish that is 'free energy', perpetual motion et al:
Don Lancaster's

Pseudoscience Library

Pseudoscience is what the Houynnyhymms politely termed "That which is not so". Ludicrosities such as free energy, alien abductions, cold fusion, UFO's, or perpetual motion.

There are three levels of pseudoscience:

Because so much of it is so mesmerizingly awful, much of pseudoscience makes for wondrously fascinating reading.

My goal here is to place a big pile of pseudoscience onto a large stage. Shine a bright light on it. And then get you to personally conclude: "Yup - that sure is a big pile all right."

The only tiny problem is that an awful lot of it keeps leaking out of the bottom of the pile.

Here's a sample of some of the basic failings of these 'free energy' folks:

The scientific method works. In which you propose
a falsifiable theory, test that theory, then invite
others to independently attack it.

o Those laws of thermodynamics reverify themselves
on countless occasions each and every day. These
laws are (1) you can?t win; (2) you can?t break even,
and (3) if you play the game, you are sure to lose.

o Each field has its secret insider gotchas. These are
certain to cause major grief to the casual inquirer.
Accurately measuring rms power or doing low Dt
calorimetry are two obvious examples.

o Most labwork ends up dead wrong. Either by not
measuring what you think it does. Or easily getting
misinterpreted, leading to wrong conclusions.

o An hour in the library is worth a month in the lab.
Science and engineering progress by building upon
the collective results of what has gone before.

o Intelligent life elsewhere in the universe does seem
extremely likely. But the odds that they are here or
have recently visited is vanishingly small.

o A single source for any theory or claim will always
be highly suspect. Always seek major backup.

o "Too good to be true" results always are. Should
they occur, you must spend monumental time and
effort in conclusively proving yourself wrong.

o Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.
Such evidence is always an obligation upon those
making the claims, not on those challenging.
And most especially that?

o Finding a source of " Unlimited free energy " would
be the most unimaginably heinous crime possible
against humanity. For it would inevitably turn the
planet into a cinder. Hastening an isoentropic heat
death. If you find a free energy source, you damn
well better find a new free energy sink as well. Even
then, the relative flux rates will still nail you.
themselves to Alderon, traveling or communicating faster
than light, performing miracles with magnets, expressing
psychic powers, or extracting "zero point energy".
I quite strongly believe that these pseudoscience subjects
certainly do serve as useful adjuncts to porcine whole body
cleanliness. But otherwise are total hogwash.

The usual causes of pseudoscience fantasies include?

o labwork so mesmerizingly awful that it is not even
wrong. This one gets them nearly every time.

o not having even the faintest clue as to what a true
scientific experiment, correct measurement, decent
documentation, and realistic interpretation is.

o A failure to think cyclically or to look at whole
systems. The "power stroke" from repelling magnets
is obvious, but the extra energy it took to get the
magnets there in the first place might not be.

o A lack of appreciation for engineering economics.
Economics that must take into account efficiencies,
alternatives, infrastructure, and total costs.

o Dragging along unreleated excess baggage. In the
way of paranoia, odd religions, conspiracies, obtuse
verbosity, suppression fears, or nonstandard terms.

o Giving vastly more credibility to a Keelynet file or
an anonymous newsgroup post than a mainstream
textbook or a properly peer reviewed article in a
respected scientific journal.

o The failure to thoroughly research what has gone
before and then to carefully build upon it.

o Extreme hubris that fails to recognize the lifetime
commitments that untold thousands of scientists
and engineers have made. Like it or not, at least
some of these people are rocket scientists. They are
a lot smarter than you are.
And, of course?

o Sleeping through all those Physics 101 lectures. Or
skipping the course entirely.

78 posted on 01/25/2004 7:58:23 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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