Would this be a record that an unusual event may have occured?
Posted on 01/23/2004 3:00:06 PM PST by mhking
Soviet military encountered many UFOs, maybe for this reason in the end of the 60s a secret laboratory of researching "flying objects" was created in the USSR.
UFO researchers often blame the military of hiding the cases of alien rockets and disseminating false information of UFO. Army officers are not interested in the disputes about alien civilizations, they are interested in knowing what impact UFO can impose to military equipment and personnel.
1947. Antiaircraft guns of Transcaucasian Military District fired on the flying cigar-shaped object which came from the side of the Turkish border. The object"s flying altitude was below 4,000 meters, and the guns were capable of reaching a target at the altitudes up to 12,000 meters, but that time the fire made no harm to the "cigar". Then the cigar increased its speed and flew away over the mountains.
This incident could cause much trouble, because earlier the border guards and military ships monitoring service missed this target. Then the military was unable to trace this flying object over the country"s territory. The Border District command ignored and ordered the monitors not to disclose the information that the object reached a speed up to 2000 kilometers per hour.
Similar case took place in 1984 in Turkestan Military District. Near the city of Astrakhan air-defense system marked the ball-shaped object flying at the altitude of 2000 meters along the Caspian seashore in the direction of the state border. The object did not respond to the inquiry made by the military on the radio. Two fighter-planes took off, but they were unable to bring the object down. After being under fire, the object descended up to 100 meters, and at this low altitude the planes were unable to continue firing. Despite being fired at, the object was having a regular speed. The ball passed over several military units, which allowed to make its photo. Near the city of Krasnoyarsk the military tried to bring the object down with the helicopter.
However, it quickly increased its altitude so that the helicopter could not reach it. After firing all its supply of shells, the helicopter landed, and the ball abruptly flew in the direction of the sea and disappeared from the radar screens.
In the same area the similar scenario case happened later. The object having the shape of cylinder demonstrated its invulnerability.>
Such a demonstration could be the purpose of its flight, because this UFO was having a speed of 100 kilometers per hour.
One can blame the military of inhuman actions on bringing down flying objects. But what can they do if the object was moving in the direction of the state border and they had the order to destroy such objects?
In 1985 near the town of Krasnovodsk the radar station under the command of Captain Valuev registered the disc-shaped object in size of 1,000 meters! The object was immovable, and some time later a small disc in size of 5 meters flew out of it and then landed on Krasnovodskaya spit. Patrol boats rushed to that area, but when they reached the distance of 100 meters from the object, it took off and flew one kilometer away. This happened five times. Then the object flew up at a huge speed, reached the bigger disc, which finally flew away spaceward.
In the end of the 60s a secret laboratory of researching "flying objects" was created in the USSR. Among the laboratory"s tasks was researching anti-gravitation, but the research results were made secret. Its testing area was near the town of Kapustin Yar on purpose. In the end of June of 1971 the military could see over this area a black cigar-shaped flying object floating under the clouds at the altitude of 800 meters. The object was 25 meters long and had about 3 meters in diameter. It had neither stabilizers nor wings nor engines and was moving at the speed of 150 kilometers per hour producing no noise.
In 1978 ЦНДС Soviet Ministry of Defense accepted Network MO program. Special military unit in the town of Mytishi was in charge of collecting data, and newly established "space troops" were designated to fight possible threat from space.
In the beginning of August 1987 five soldiers of Leningrad Military District went to the North of Karelia region on a special mission. They were required to guard the object of unknown origin. It was found on the territory of another military unit near the town of Vyborg. The item was 14 meters long, 4 meters wide, 2.5 meters high. The object had neither doors no hatches, and all attempts to open its hull were unsuccessful. The military tried to break off some object parts, but were only able to take some rods from its stern. In the end of September the object disappeared from the hangar without leaving a trace.
This may be true for the Soviets, but what about Roswell?
Of course, the accuracy has remained the same, but Pravda today can't even pretend to be taken seriously.
Sorry, I'm not cleared to speak on that event ...
The initial Roswell story was based on the crash of a balloon used to study radioactivity in the atmosphere. At the time (in 1947) it was a classified program called Project Mogul. The debris which was found was positively identified as balloon remains, along with some radar reflectors.The incident was blown out of proportion at the time because it happened to coincide with the first "flying saucer" sighting to get big media coverage. Subsequently, the whole thing was forgotten for 30 years, not even making it onto the "Top 100 UFO sightings" list put out in the 70s.
Then, in 1978, the National Inquirer published a story on Roswell. Witnesses suddenly started popping out of the woodwork with stories of alien bodies and military conspiracies, which brings us to where we are today.
The Pentagon thoroughly investigated Roswell and published two reports, the most recent called Roswell: Case Closed in 1997.
Of course, the UFO nutters claim that the Pentagon is just part of the conspiracy, so there's no hope of convincing them merely by presenting a detailed report with all the evidence, is there?
Well, comrade, I would like to see photo that ball allowed them to make.
1,000 meters wide . . hmmmm....
I wasn't aware mass drunkeness was permitted in the old Soviet miltary. Especially during broad daylight. Had we only known then . .
REPORT OF AIR FORCE RESEARCH REGARDING THE
"ROSWELL INCIDENT"
July 1994
From: www.af.mil/lib/roswell.html
The following from the EXECUTIVE SUMMARY is excerpted from the report for convenience of readers and lurkers on FR. Consult the link above for the full report.
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The "Roswell Incident" refers to an event that supposedly happened in July, 1947, wherein the Army Air Forces (AAF) allegedly recovered remains of a crashed "flying disc" near Roswell, New Mexico.In February, 1994, the General Accounting Office (GAO), acting on the request of a New Mexico Congressman, initiated an audit to attempt to locate records of such an incident and to determine if records regarding it were properly handled.
Although the GAO effort was to look at a number of government agencies, the apparent focus was on the Air Force. SAF/AAZ , as the Central Point of Contact for the GAO in this matter, initiated a systematic search of current Air Force offices as well as numerous archives and records centers that might help explain this matter. Research revealed that the "Roswell Incident" was not even considered a UFO event until the 1978-1980 time frame. Prior to that, the incident was dismissed because the AAF originally identified the debris recovered as being that of a weather balloon.
Subsequently, various authors wrote a number of books claiming that, not only was debris from an alien spacecraft recovered, but also the bodies of the craft's alien occupants. These claims continue to evolve today and the Air Force is now routinely accused of engaging in a "cover-up" of this supposed event.
Consequently, efforts were intensified by Air Force researchers at numerous locations where records for the period in question were stored.
The records reviewed did not reveal any increase in operations, security, or any other activity in July, 1947, that indicated any such unusual event may have occurred.
Records were located and thoroughly explored concerning a then-TOP SECRET balloon project, designed to attempt to monitor Soviet nuclear tests, known as Project Mogul.
Additionally, several surviving project personnel were located and interviewed, as was the only surviving person who recovered debris from the original Roswell site in 1947, and the former officer who initially identified the wreckage as a balloon. Comparison of all information developed or obtained indicated that the material recovered near Roswell was consistent with a balloon device and most likely from one of the Mogul balloons that had not been previously recovered. Air Force research efforts did not disclose any records of the recovery of any "alien" bodies or extraterrestrial materials.
Yet another pitiful attempt at disinformation.
Would this be a record that an unusual event may have occured?
We shall see.LOL!Supposedly there are 3-5 DIFFERENT environmentally clean, virtually free sources of energy that we've kept under wraps for decades.
We shall see.
The *true* believers will never be dissuaded by actual 'science', so, why even try.
To date there is not even the slightest inkling coming out of the laboratory that hints at 'free energy' being a possibility OTHERWISE the biggies would SURELY be interested!
The CLOSEST we get is splitting ('fission' or 'joining' as in 'fusion') the atom and reaping a HUGE amount of energy - with the attendant side effects that result.
To date, it's been the hucksters who have reaped 'free energy' from nonscientific investors who can be easily 'horn swaggled' JUST as alchemists did when convincing 'investors' they could turn lead into GOLD!
"I'll bet you a case of beer there is no working overunity device that is testable by others or for sale as an operating unit, a kit, or working plans to build it yourself," said Jerry W. Decker, operator of KeelyNet, a site devoted to developments in free energy -- a field Decker has been tracking for 30 years.From: www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,11898,00.html
DID you believe 'the press' when they lauded Howie Dean for a week or two before the Iowa caucuses?
OF COURSE you went to the website I listed AND READ accounts by persons that were around at that time - right?
The July 9 edition of the paper noted that Brigadier General Roger Ramey, Commander of the Eighth Air Force at Forth Worth, Texas, stated that upon examination the debris recovered by Marcel was determined to be a weather balloon. The wreckage was described as a "..bundle of tinfoil, broken wood beams, and rubber remnants of a balloon...... The additional story of the "harassed rancher" identified him as W.W. Brazel of Lincoln County, New Mexico. He claimed that he and his son, Vemon, found the material on June 14, 1947, <>when they "came upon a large area of bright wreckage made up of rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper, and sticks.""UFOs" made of "tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks".He picked up some of the debris on July 4 and ."..the next day he first heard about the flying discs and wondered if what he had found might have been the remnants of one of these." Brazel subsequently went to Roswell on July 7 and contacted the Sheriff, who apparently notified Major Marcel. Major Marcel and "a man in plain clothes" then accompanied Brazel home to pick up the rest of the pieces. The article further related that Brazel thought that the material:
"..might have been as large as a table top. The balloon which held it up, if that is how it worked, must have been about 12 feet long, he felt, measuring the distance by the size of the room in which he sat. The rubber was smoky gray in color and scattered over an area about 200 yards in diameter. When the debris was gathered up the tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks made a bundle about three feet long and 7 or 8 inches thick, while the rubber made a bundle about 18 or 20 inches long and about 8 inches thick. In all, he estimated, the entire lot would have weighed maybe five pounds. There was no sign of any metal in the area which night have been used for an engine and no sign of any propellers of any kind. Although at least one paper fin had been glued onto some of the tinfoil. There were no words to be found anywhere on the instrument although there were letters on some of the parts. Considerable scotch tape and some tape with flowers printed upon it had been used in the construction. No string or wire were to be found but there were some eyelets in the paper to indicate that some sort of attachment may have been used. Brazel said that he had previously found two weather balloons on the ranch, but that what he found this time did not in any way resemble either of these."
I'm *sure* they were capable of a) interstellar travel at light speed and b) supersonic flight within the atmosphere!
LOL!
"Stories" of incursions -- we've got to get Tancredo working on this.
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