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To: cwboelter
There was plenty of outrage over Clinton.

Its clear Clinton asked for certain kinds of intelligence that he could cite anytime he needed to bomb a country to get the problems at home of the front page.

Because the PNAC group needed that same intelligence to push for their agenda (regime change in Iraq), they held on to it and pushed it to their boss. Now, both camps are in agreement that this best be not talked about it, but conservative should be outraged that this is how our country was taken to war...the process was despicable, regardless of the merits of the war and the policy objectives.

PNAC Letter to Bill Clinton 1/26/1998 Urging invasion of Iraq: Signed by:

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett

Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky

Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad

William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman

Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber

Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick

67 posted on 01/23/2004 1:34:18 PM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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To: JohnGalt
"There was plenty of outrage over Clinton."

Not over his Wag-the-dog moments. When Tom Delay stood up and dared question the timing of Clinton's impeachment-eve bombing of Iraq, he was excoriated by the media, the Democrats and even several Republicans. For a group that hates to be labeled unAmerican by Republicans, Maxine Waters did just that when Delay spoke up. Know one on the Republican (politicians) side even dared to publically call Clinton's ventures what they were (wagthedog) because the Republicans were already taking heat as obstructionists.

While there were a few of the conservatives who were discontent, they were well hidden by the media (just as the anti-war demonstrations were in Europe) so CLinton could have free reign to take Monica off the front pages. With Bush, we hear every negative overseas news story, while the ones about "bombs for blowjobs" never saw the light of day in this country. You're objections to the war are duly noted, but Clinton got an absolute pass, as he bombed 4 countries in the span of his 8-month domestic affair.
69 posted on 01/23/2004 1:51:12 PM PST by cwb (Dean = Dr. Jeckyll exposing his Hyde)
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To: JohnGalt
You are correct that Clinton used occasional foreign policy crisis cynically for domestic political advantage like getting his scandals off the front pages. What should be considered though is that Clinton and the Democrats faithfully followed through policy set in place by Republicans i.e. Bush the Elder’s Iraq policy which shows a unifyied vision for the world amongst our governing elite. The WMD dead enders, as you call them, are using Clinton’s supposed belief in WMD as proof of Saddam’s malfeasance and justification for Bush the Younger’s war which is pretty ironic as these people never believed Clinton about anything. Funny using a sociopath serial liar and convicted perjurer as a character witness.

What many good people fail to consider (or refuse to) is that their government has intentions which are not pure, peace loving or altruistic whether it be Republicans or Democrats who are in charge. It is never considered that the collapse of the Soviet Union and Saddam's trouble with Kuwait made a golden opportunity for our moving into the mid-east large military forces and leaving Saddam in power provided cause for leaving our forces in place. 9/11 was the perfect excuse to take a giant leap forward in our plan to dominate the mid East and central Asia. One does not have to be an insider to know about this, our moves are painfully obvious. The sad part is that so many good people can not grasp how our actions of duplicitous diplomacy, aggression, war and occupation breeds enemies and blowback. How can so many basically intelligent people actually believe we were attacked by terrorist “because we are good” and that “they hate us for our democracy” and why do they believe we have a right to police the world and overthrow governments for our convenience and profit. Our foreign policy is no different than the big city gangster tactics of bribery, extortion and applying muscle. All of which is considered morally bankrupt when practiced by regular citizens but somehow interpreted as righteous and proper when done by the government. History shows that since the dawn of man the reasons for war have always been power and money but somehow this could never be considered part of our history. We always were white hats afterall so don't forget that and you'll feel much better.

93 posted on 01/23/2004 5:12:00 PM PST by u-89
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