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Democracy at Risk
N Y Times ^ | 01/23/2004 | PAUL KRUGMAN

Posted on 01/23/2004 6:35:41 AM PST by Phlap

The disputed election of 2000 left a lasting scar on the nation's psyche. A recent Zogby poll found that even in red states, which voted for George W. Bush, 32 percent of the public believes that the election was stolen. In blue states, the fraction is 44 percent.

Now imagine this: in November the candidate trailing in the polls wins an upset victory — but all of the districts where he does much better than expected use touch-screen voting machines. Meanwhile, leaked internal e-mail from the companies that make these machines suggests widespread error, and possibly fraud. What would this do to the nation?

Unfortunately, this story is completely plausible. (In fact, you can tell a similar story about some of the results in the 2002 midterm elections, especially in Georgia.) Fortune magazine rightly declared paperless voting the worst technology of 2003, but it's not just a bad technology — it's a threat to the republic.

First of all, the technology has simply failed in several recent elections. In a special election in Broward County, Fla., 134 voters were disenfranchised because the electronic voting machines showed no votes, and there was no way to determine those voters' intent. (The election was decided by only 12 votes.) In Fairfax County, Va., electronic machines crashed repeatedly and balked at registering votes. In the 2002 primary, machines in several Florida districts reported no votes for governor.

And how many failures weren't caught? Internal e-mail from Diebold, the most prominent maker of electronic voting machines (though not those in the Florida and Virginia debacles), reveals that programmers were frantic over the system's unreliability. One reads, "I have been waiting for someone to give me an explanation as to why Precinct 216 gave Al Gore a minus 16022 when it was uploaded." Another reads, "For a demonstration I suggest you fake it."

Computer experts say that software at Diebold and other manufacturers is full of security flaws, which would easily allow an insider to rig an election. But the people at voting machine companies wouldn't do that, would they? Let's ask Jeffrey Dean, a programmer who was senior vice president of a voting machine company, Global Election Systems, before Diebold acquired it in 2002. Bev Harris, author of "Black Box Voting" (www.blackboxvoting.com), told The A.P. that Mr. Dean, before taking that job, spent time in a Washington correctional facility for stealing money and tampering with computer files.

Questionable programmers aside, even a cursory look at the behavior of the major voting machine companies reveals systematic flouting of the rules intended to ensure voting security. Software was modified without government oversight; machine components were replaced without being rechecked. And here's the crucial point: even if there are strong reasons to suspect that electronic machines miscounted votes, nothing can be done about it. There is no paper trail; there is nothing to recount.

So what should be done? Representative Rush Holt has introduced a bill calling for each machine to produce a paper record that the voter verifies. The paper record would then be secured for any future audit. The bill requires that such verified voting be ready in time for the 2004 election — and that districts that can't meet the deadline use paper ballots instead. And it also requires surprise audits in each state.

I can't see any possible objection to this bill. Ignore the inevitable charges of "conspiracy theory." (Although some conspiracies are real: as yesterday's Boston Globe reports, "Republican staff members of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee infiltrated opposition computer files for a year, monitoring secret strategy memos and periodically passing on copies to the media.") To support verified voting, you don't personally have to believe that voting machine manufacturers have tampered or will tamper with elections. How can anyone object to measures that will place the vote above suspicion?

What about the expense? Let's put it this way: we're spending at least $150 billion to promote democracy in Iraq. That's about $1,500 for each vote cast in the 2000 election. How can we balk at spending a small fraction of that sum to secure the credibility of democracy at home?  


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So is this a call to return to the butterfly balot? These liberal loonies want it both ways.

If Al Gore were half the man RMN was this debate wouldn't be on going.

1 posted on 01/23/2004 6:35:41 AM PST by Phlap
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To: Phlap
"in red states, which voted for George W. Bush, 32 percent of the public believes that the election was stolen. In blue states, the fraction is 44 percent."

So less than half the electorate are ignorant leftists. Good news!

2 posted on 01/23/2004 6:37:26 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Leave Pat, Leave!)
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To: Phlap
I guess 32% have no clue how our constitution specifies that the Electoral College decides the presidency?
3 posted on 01/23/2004 6:38:15 AM PST by risk
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To: Phlap
I never thought I'd agree with Krugman, but I don't see the harm in creating an auditable paper record as a protection against voter fraud (by either side).
4 posted on 01/23/2004 6:40:30 AM PST by Piranha (.)
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To: Phlap
When will the NY slimes learn that America is a
Constitutional Republic not a democracy.
A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on
what to have for dinner.
5 posted on 01/23/2004 6:42:08 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (A little knowledge is dangerous.-- I live dangerously::))
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To: Phlap
Whatever side of the fence you stand on, these computer votes are a really bad idea.

I've voted with them in the last few elections. You touch one name, a different one comes up, if you aren't watching correctly, you just go on. Once I couldn't even get it to go back and change one. Neither could the poll worker.

The real problem is and always has been the governments penchance for creating problems, jumping the gun to solve the problem, in a non researched way (one of the real hazards of having an unlimited spending account) and then if its wrong, deny, admit if you have to and spend more to fix your fix.

The government is like a rich, spoiled child.... willful, wasteful and uncaring where the money comes from.
6 posted on 01/23/2004 6:42:42 AM PST by LaraCroft (If the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, do the stupid get stupider?)
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So less than half the electorate are ignorant leftists. Good news!

Actually its even better. It's less than a third.

7 posted on 01/23/2004 6:44:58 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Brad Cloven
So less than half the electorate are ignorant leftists. Good news!

Actually its even better. It's less than a third.

8 posted on 01/23/2004 6:44:58 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Phlap
Been around long enough to know that when you post a Paul Krugman article, you need a MAJOR BARF ALERT in the title, unless you're Krugman deciple and then you just need to move on.
10 posted on 01/23/2004 6:48:42 AM PST by harpu
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(If the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, do the stupid get stupider?)

No. They get state or city jobs.

11 posted on 01/23/2004 6:54:17 AM PST by johnny7 (“C'mon! You sons 'o bitches wanna live forever!?”)
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The disputed election of 2000 left a lasting scar on the nation's psyche.

No it didn't.

What the election of 2000 did was prove that God still cares about America enough to bless us with a courageous leader who knows Him!

The disputed election of 2000 left a lasting scar on the dumbocRAT party.

12 posted on 01/23/2004 7:00:43 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (WARNING! The dumbocRATs will self-destruct before the 04 elections!!!)
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To: harpu
Did you read Dowd's piece yesterday?...She's totally gone round the bend...
13 posted on 01/23/2004 7:01:20 AM PST by ken5050
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To: LaraCroft
What's to stop a poll worker in precincts where there are no poll-watchers (Republican poll-watches are heavily intimidated in inner-city precincts) from just putting in vote after vote into the machine, paper-trail or no paper trail? IOW, what ID checks are there?
14 posted on 01/23/2004 7:44:40 AM PST by expatpat
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I find myself agreeing with Krugman in this point: a paper trail is critical, in my mind. However, that is not enough -- there needs to be a fool-proof ID system in place, at least as good as used for credit-cards.
15 posted on 01/23/2004 7:48:42 AM PST by expatpat
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To: ken5050
The pathetic irony of all these NYTimes, WASHCompost, and other like journalists, is that they actually believe their writings will overide the truth.

AND, sadly, we also know that no one outside of NY and DC reads the Times and Compost but. unfortunately, their journalistic(?) poison gets picked-up by lesser papers (here in Texas the Startlegram [sinkspur's favorite rag]) and Bush haters go crazy with it as though their writings were the gospel truth.

16 posted on 01/23/2004 7:48:53 AM PST by harpu
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To: Phlap
An article from former Enron advisor and the Albert Scheer of Malaysia,Paul Krugman?
This needs a mega-barf followed by painful dry-heave alert.
17 posted on 01/23/2004 7:49:25 AM PST by Redcoat LI ("If you're going to shoot,shoot,don't talk" Tuco BenedictoPacifico Juan Maria Ramirez)
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How about using one of those cards like a debit card, with a magnetic strip on it. That a way you could at least recreate things, if need be - I think (not hip on techno)

But, I agree having no trail is scarey for all sides.
18 posted on 01/23/2004 7:58:05 AM PST by PersonalLiberties (Between Life and the Pursuit of Happiness you Need Liberty www.personalliberties.com)
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To: Brad Cloven
Correction: The disputed election of 2000 left a lasting scar on the nation's psyche psychos
19 posted on 01/23/2004 9:15:49 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Leave Pat, Leave!)
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To: Phlap
So is this a call to return to the butterfly balot? These liberal loonies want it both ways.

So what else is new?

I was thinking about posting this last night, but I wasn't in the mood to make all the disclaimers for Krugman's extraneous prose. I think this is the first time I agree with Krugman on his main point, i.e. this system of computer voting without a verifiable paper printout to audit is begging for manipulation and fraudulent results. I don't trust anyone when the stakes are that big. There's too much temptation. Remember "trust but verify".

20 posted on 01/23/2004 12:22:41 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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