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Gap widening between Bush and conservatives
Townhall.com ^
| January 23, 2004
| Jonah Goldberg
Posted on 01/23/2004 5:23:57 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy
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To: PhiKapMom
To: Dead Corpse
Make you displeasure known to your congresscritters.
Already have. In fact, I'm not even getting the automated reply letters anymore.
I hate them. I have asked simple questions like do you support this bill and they dance around the issue like Fred Astair.
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posted on
01/23/2004 8:40:20 AM PST
by
RiflemanSharpe
(An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
To: RiflemanSharpe
Bush will sign an AWB if it hits his desk And contrary to conventional wisdom, I think it will. ....It'll probably be attached to some "anti-terrorism" bill, and few congresscritters will want to be seen as both "pro-terrorist" and "pro-assault weapons." That's how it's going to get done. And if there's another Columbine or D.C "sniper"-type incident, you can bet the farm on it passing.
To: RiflemanSharpe
Snail mail and phone calls are a lot more effective than email.
Keep the pressure on, amigo.
To: Mr. Mojo
I do all three.
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posted on
01/23/2004 8:47:09 AM PST
by
RiflemanSharpe
(An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
To: Apple Pan Dowdy
Gap widening between Bush and conservativesDuh!
Boy, these guys don't miss anything.....
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posted on
01/23/2004 8:48:32 AM PST
by
Joe Hadenuf
(I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
To: BureaucratusMaximus
Keep whatever you want! I just stated what I believe and don't see the need -- if you do, keep it. I think it is much ado about nothing since the President has not stated he is going to make the AWB harder.
I guess I don't have a right to my opinion without ridicule. Don't think macho types are into milk and cookies either!
My Dad had rifles, shotguns, and I think a handgun but you know what he wasn't macho about it and used them for hunting. Automatic weapons he was not in favor of owning because they could fall in the hands of people not qualified to use them. Guess he should be serving milk and cookies too?
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posted on
01/23/2004 8:50:17 AM PST
by
PhiKapMom
(AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
To: Mr. Mojo
Oddly, I was referring to snail mail and not e-mail.
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posted on
01/23/2004 8:51:21 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
To: carton253
Ted Kennedy went on the record yesterday to ask for $100 billion increase in all Medicare, Medicaid, and Prescription drug benefits. But don't you realize with Bush's open borders policy Ted Kennedy is right? We will have to have this kind of increase, and maybe much more in the years to come. That's the problem, people aren't looking at the future and the horror that will be brought on America by Bush's open borders.
How sad that Republicans could make such a great showing in the 2004 election. Let's face it, the Democrat candidates are a sorry lot. So much good could be done if we could get a majority in the Senate. But this open borders policy will cause me to stay home on election day. Because I say, what's the use?
To: Lazamataz
Why should Bush alienate his base by signing the AWB? Why should he alienate his base by gutting the First Amendment with CFR? Why should he alienate his base by declaring "Open Border Season"? Why should he alienate his base by signing massive new prescription drug benefits? Why should he alienate his base by proposing Universal Hillary Care? The answer: Cuz he doesn't care. He doesn't have to. He is counting on the calculus that for every conservative he loses, he'll gain two squishy moderates. Bump. You have it bang on. Plus they have monopolized the GOP 'stage'. How many, many, many times also have we heard either Andrew Card or Karl Rove chortling, 'Where Else can they go?'
Interestingly though, with the almost complete collapse of his polling advantage, coincidental with his Open Border madness, GWB may realize he has been sold a bill of goods. Foolishly abandoning the bird in the hand for the hypothetical 'two in the bush'. The squishys are NOT moving to support the GOP. They never will. They will ALWAYS be told what to do by the NYT,CBS,ABC,NBC headlines.
This is why the 'moderates' or just 'undecided liberals' as Limbaugh says, NEED TO BE DE-PROGRAMMED of their cult-like allegiance to liberalism. Thence, we need a conservative at the bully pulpit, to do the de-programming. This is what Reagan did.
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posted on
01/23/2004 8:53:44 AM PST
by
Paul Ross
("A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country any more."-President Ronald Reagan)
To: Apple Pan Dowdy
Should have realized...Jonah bleating again!
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posted on
01/23/2004 8:55:17 AM PST
by
Redleg Duke
(tStir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
To: Dead Corpse
In fact, I'm not even getting the automated reply letters anymore.Same here!
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posted on
01/23/2004 8:58:12 AM PST
by
Paul Ross
("A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country any more."-President Ronald Reagan)
To: carton253
Ted Kennedy went on the record yesterday to ask for $100 billion increase in all Medicare, Medicaid, and Prescription drug benefits.Bush should support the Kennedy proposal. In fact, he should propose a $250 billion increase himself. That could pull in a lot of crucial undecided votes in November.
That is our strategery now, isn't it?
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:00:05 AM PST
by
kevao
To: Dead Corpse
Mother Green must not give out ballistics information to her children until after 5 years TIS!
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:01:00 AM PST
by
kildak
To: Mr. Mojo
You just did one of the "let's paint a broad picture here!"
I guess owning a rifle, shotguns, and a handgun doesn't qualify for Right to Bear Arms which I am 100% in agreement. I am also believe that people buying guns should have to have evidence of a safety course completed or go to one before buying the gun. I also don't believe in instant gun purchases where some hothead can go down and get a gun immediately and then shoot their spouse or whoever because they are mad. Don't see why waiting 24 hours matters.
No one will ever convince me that the same assualt weapons our military use should be in the hands of private citizens.
So sue me for my opinion.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:01:45 AM PST
by
PhiKapMom
(AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
To: PhiKapMom
No one will ever convince me that the same assualt weapons our military use should be in the hands of private citizens. You obviously didn't read the link I provided. Please do.
To: Pietro
Conservatives(and Bush) will take the hits from the libs, no matter what policy is instituted. It just doesn't matter if the program is cut or the spending is increased. The Dims will holler and complain. With that said, as long as there is a chance RIGHT NOW, to cut spending, lessen the cost of entitlements, and shrink govt, it should have been done, it must BE done. There is a small window of opportunity to make changes, as soon as the liberals regain control(which they will) the stage is set for more deficit spending. Either GW believes in the conservative agenda, or he doesn't.
This political system is a rigged game. GW says where are conservatives going to go? Answer is, nowhere.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:08:20 AM PST
by
jeremiah
(Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
To: PhiKapMom
I started shooting when I was 7. My father was a Sherrif's Deputy for 27 years of my life. I did six years in the military. I have no criminal record.
But just because you think it is a good idea, I need to sit through a class written for dumbasses for TEN TO TWELVE HOURS and pay upwards of $150 for the class! Above and beyond that, I need to PROVE I'm not a criminal despite our "innocent until proven guilty" legal system.
All to exercise a Right the Founders considered so fundamental to freedom in this country they included protections for it in our Federal Constitution. If you have to ask permission, it isn't a Right.
Be a frightened little rabbit if you want, but never assume that the rest of us are as stupid and evil as you seem to think we are.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:12:52 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
To: PhiKapMom
Get your facts straight. The so called "Assault Weapons Ban" does not cover automatic weapons. With the exception of governmental approval, fully automatic weapons were banned from public ownership in 1934.
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:12:52 AM PST
by
kildak
To: PhiKapMom
Keep whatever you want! I just stated what I believe and don't see the need -- if you do, keep it. I think it is much ado about nothing since the President has not stated he is going to make the AWB harder. I guess I don't have a right to my opinion without ridicule. Don't think macho types are into milk and cookies either!
My Dad had rifles, shotguns, and I think a handgun but you know what he wasn't macho about it and used them for hunting. Automatic weapons he was not in favor of owning because they could fall in the hands of people not qualified to use them. Guess he should be serving milk and cookies too?
Whatever...some people shouldn't have internet access/an automobile/alcohol/etc either, those things have fallen into the hands of people not qualified to use those things too.
You miss the point...if conservatism is about preserving the Constitution, preserving our freedom, and preserving our rights as free U.S. citizens; an AWB is not the solution to having assult weapons fall into the hands of crimminals (which they already do...and no ban is going to change that anyhow). The solution is to prosecute and punish those who commit a crime with an automatic weapon. Lock them up, send them to the electric chair, have them rot away in prison to suffer the consequences of their actions. Out of all the "reforms" we've been seeing out of this administration (Campaign finance, Medicare, and now immigration) the two that are needed the most, and the two that the Republicans (up to this point) have been soft on, are Tort Rerform and Judicial Reform (i.e. getting judicial vacancies filled, by conservative judges; whatever that means now). Any other solution doesn't cut it...its just a delusional government usurping of power band-aid on an obvious problem. Have criminals suffer for their actions...leave me alone with my right to defend myself and my family. There's nothing "macho" about that, unless you consider preserving and protecting the life of yourself and your loved ones "macho".
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posted on
01/23/2004 9:13:05 AM PST
by
BureaucratusMaximus
(Principled conservatives need not apply...we're all centrists now. Shut up & pay your taxes.)
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