FWIW, some good points were made.
1 posted on
01/22/2004 12:06:48 PM PST by
neverdem
To: fourdeuce82d; Travis McGee; Joe Brower
BANG
2 posted on
01/22/2004 12:08:33 PM PST by
neverdem
(Xin loi min oi)
To: neverdem
I have not read either paper reference in this article but I strongly suspect the author is knocking down a straw man here.
3 posted on
01/22/2004 12:12:03 PM PST by
The Man
To: neverdem
Treating all bad actors just the same might be fine if you are a judge or a prosecutor, but as a dispenser of scarce military resources it is recipe for disappointment, if not defeat. ]
But we don't treat them all the same. The squeakiest wheel will always get greased, first. The others must wait their turn. We will be along to dispense justice to them in due course.
4 posted on
01/22/2004 12:14:23 PM PST by
marron
To: neverdem
I would have thought Reason would have spent more time on the statements Frum/Perle made on civil liberties including their recommendation for a national ID system:
We ought to learn a lesson from the most effective anticrime program the United States has ever seen: Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's crack down in New York. Giuliani's core insight was this: People who break one law will break other laws. You want to catch a guy who's skipped out on a manslaughter arrest warrant? Stop every turnstile jumper and inspect his ID. You want to find the killer who left his fingerprints on a knife that stabbed a kid to death yesterday? Scan the fingerprints of everybody you catch smoking marijuana in the park today. (pg 68)
And there is only one system that will do the job: a national identity card that registers the bearer's name and biometric data, like fingerprints or retinal scans or DNA, and that indicates whether the bearer is a citizen, a permanent resident, or a temporary resident... (pg 70)
We may be so eager to protect the right to dissent that we lose sight of the difference between dissent and subversion... (pg 74)
A free society is not an unpoliced society. A free society is a self-policed society. (pg 77)
But even a nation of laws must understand the limits of legalism. Between 1861 and 1865, the government of the United States took tens of thousands of American citizens prisoner and detained them for years without letting any one of them see a lawyer. (pg 229)
5 posted on
01/22/2004 12:21:27 PM PST by
JohnGalt
("How few were left who had seen the Republic!"- Tacitus)
To: neverdem
Uh, excuse me. The points being pushed here are - don't fight rogue states because you can deter them and don't need to; don't fight terror because you can't win it will always exist; don't fight evil for the same reason; and don't fight anyone because it makes enemies and we already have too many. Pure liberal BS.
Aside from the fact that I don't trust kook countries like NK to be properly deterred, the article deliberately ignores the fact that NK can give terrorists a wmd, which the article admits the terrorists would use. Further, a nuclear NK is more a threat to its neighbors, our allies, than it is to the USA. Thus undermining our alliances and making our allies subject to blackmail.
7 posted on
01/22/2004 12:28:23 PM PST by
Williams
To: neverdem
Or to put it another way, unlike terrorist organizations, rogue states, notwithstanding administration declamations to the contrary, are subject to effective deterrence and therefore do not warrant status as potential objects of preventive war and its associated costs and risks. .... For its part, North Korea, far better armed with WMD than Saddam Hussein's Iraq, has for decades repeatedly threatened war against South Korea and the United States but has yet to initiate one. I find such thinking rather scary, especially in a post 9-11 world. Just because something hasn't been done, doesn't mean it won't. We cannot stand idly by when states or transnational terrorists threaten us.
The fight is not against all evil throughout the world, it is against those who threaten the US. Be they states, transnational terrorists, or the states that aid and harbor them.
As for non-threatening states that commit genocide against their own people, I thought we had already decided, never again. Of course, in Africa and Asia, that doesn't count.
The Age of Dictatorships is winding down, we must ensure the last remnants are eradicated. This is the Age of the Democracy. (Yes, yes, I've been watching the LOTRs)
8 posted on
01/22/2004 12:29:22 PM PST by
TheDon
(Have a Happy New Year!)
To: neverdem
Yes, but they were made by the wrong guys.
Richard Perle is up to his eye-balls with the Red Chinese, being their paid lobbyist to push through their bid to latch onto the assets of Global Crossing...and its U.S. internet trunks... for cheap. Posing an immense national security hazard.
And rather than forgo the lucrative $600,000 payments, Perle abandoned his position with the Defense Advisory Board.
And Frum has been castigated by others as being the embodiment of a 'Sunshine Patriot' himself. Sooooo, in general, better to buy Coulter, Ingraham, Gertz, Timperlake, Mona Charen's etc.'s books. Always buy a REAL conservative's books. The 'neo-cons' are just not up to snuff...nor as credible.
11 posted on
01/22/2004 12:33:03 PM PST by
Paul Ross
(Reform Islam Now! -- Nuke Mecca!)
To: neverdem
After 9/11 the "Red" Chinese released a CD showing the towers going down the audio was praising the attack.
Almost all the weaponry that was found in Afganistan was Chinese. The Chinese and Russians have a mutual defense pact. Lets pretend the whole world loves us, there are only a handful of terror groups too far flung to deal with without upsetting the rest of our so called friends.
Reality is if we show any kind of weakness (having a dem in the whitehouse) the evil bastards are gonna pounce on us.
19 posted on
01/22/2004 1:42:59 PM PST by
claptrap
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