Iran initiated 9/11 attacks’

Expatica.com ^ | January 22 2004 | unknown

[Pagey]

If there is any rationale what-so-ever to this article, The president can always say "Hey, we missed the right country by a letter, the people of IRAQ are still better off with S.H. in custody awaiting his trial, so let's develop the correct plan for helping the youth of Iran triumph". What I would give to hear that sentence.

[bert]

Also interesting seen in the light of the Mansoor Ijaz reports on Fox News that OBL and hisson are in Iran, near the Afgan border.

[bert]

.....I don't.....

I get Dr Zin's daily Iran ping and feel certain that the plan is to cut the rottren fruit from the vine after it has decayed from within. I conclude that our forces have been surreptiously at work for a very long time in Iran and there could be very amazing results very quickly. The political power structure is failing as we type.

[DoctorZIn]

...I think that those who want to make a coup or bring foreign rule are a minority...

I believe most Iranians want a referendum on the future regime in Iran. The majority of these people want a secular democracy but many are interested in a constitutional monarchy. The people would like a chance to choose the type of government they live under.

Regarding the 12% figure. Many people in Iran either work for the government or depend on public funds and therefore are more easily persuaded to vote. BTW, I think you will find that Iranians are more pro US than Iraqis.

[txhurl]

Turns out I rank 'paleo' after taking the test.

Are you going to publicly get even bitchier when we shanghai Syria and Pakistan?

[mr.pink]

Are you going to publicly get even bitchier when we shanghai Syria and Pakistan?

I'll play it by whatever rules the person I am debating sets. So however you care to play arguementively, you can count me in.

You basically called the American people stupid....I did not. You considered that stupidity an easily exploitable means by which to expand a war. I believe conservatives should not be in business of snookering our brothers and sisters into one via a con.

[txhurl]

Was it ?Coolidge? that said: 'The business of America is Business'.

I appreciate your moral stringency. Wish the world would apply it. But they won't, so we can't. We do a pretty good job of trying, though.

Purism is important. But it doesn't - can't - compete with business.

I apologize for my remark.

[mr.pink]

No problem....I apologize as well as I believe I initially misread you and may have carried a bit of fiestiness over from another arguement.

I agree with fully the "business" quote...and I hope America can get back to doing business with the countries in the ME ASAP.

[txhurl]

Well..! Pleased to know you, Sir.

[Alamo-Girl]

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. You said:

All this for forcing separation of church/mosque and state?

But the reason I gave for any military intervention in Iran at post 71 was as follows:

Indeed, we are at war and Iran is harboring our enemies. Because of that fact, intervention is clearly on the table.

Moreover, you focus on the cost of such a conflict:

You need more than $500B and 500K troops for a long time.

OTOH, I focus on the much greater risk of doing nothing:

Moreover, the time to act is not after bodies are stacked up like cordwood. It was a miracle we only lost 3,000 on 9/11/01. If terrorists get their hands on any substantive weapon and delivery mechanism (biological, chemical or nuclear) – which usually only nation/states can afford – then the risk escalates. A mid-range attack on a population center could bring in civilian casualties in 6 or 7 digits which would paralyze the U.S. and world economy for years.

As I mentioned before, it is my strong belief that words of diplomacy in situations like this mean nothing unless backed up with credible threat of force. What we have already done in Iraq should be sufficient to establish credibility.

However, it is my hope that because of the credible threat, the government will reform and comply with our reasonable demands and concede power to the people on its own.

We are not on the same foreign policy page at all and thus I can see nothing to be gained in discussing this any further but I do thank you for the conversation and for sharing your views.

[mr.pink]

Same here. I look forward to both agreeing, and arguing, with you on future issues.