Iran initiated 9/11 attacks’

Expatica.com ^ | January 22 2004 | unknown

[sinkspur]

That's odd, you started your defense of the lies that got this "pre-emptive" war going by reaching for the "shredder machine" as opposed to the "terrorist" card.

There were no "lies," unless every single intelligence organization in the world was completely and totally mistaken.

And, my justification for the war is not important. I'm glad Bush and Blair and 40 other leaders decided that it was time for Hussein to go.

I'll galdy argue either side once you tell which one your taking. ;o)

I'm not going to argue with you. You won't be convinced, nor will I.

[mr.pink]

I'm not going to argue with you. You won't be convinced, nor will I.

Well you certainly convinced me that we will not agree.

[spacewarp]

Dog, I'm trying to read all the names you have. Each time I get the distinct question coming across my mind. "Pat, Can I buy a vowel?"

[Dark Wing]

Important, if true.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Very interesting tidbit, there.

[A. Pole]

The Iranian government does not have much popular support.

The present Iranian regime was established by a popular/grass root revolution which overthrew the dictator/shah.

The Iranian system is dual in character - it has true elections, functioning Parlament and local elected officials. At the same time it is supervised by religious bodies in order to prevent secularization and to protect the supremacy of Islam. We can see it as a mixture of democracy and theocracy or a compromise between Iranian traditions and modern Western style of government.

Both elements - democratic institutions and theocratic supervision were created by Iranians and have social base. The foreign intervention would not have such base and could achieve at best only a secularization of the system, at worst it would bring unpopular dicatorship back.

[Paul Ross]

The defector also declared that immediately after fleeing Iran, he had approached CIA station officers at the U.S. embassy in Azerbaijan, a former Soviet republic adjoining Iran, to warn them attacks were planned. "He wrote a five-page letter stating that something would happen on 10 or 11 September without precisely delineating what it could be," said the police witness.

If this was in fact recorded by the CIA, and happened in July when he defected, then we really do have a smoking gun here, and not just speculation. The linkage to Iran, which some liberal skeptics here seem to miss, is that he made these charges a full two months prior to 9-11. And the specifics he implicates are reasonable, at least according to German intelligence. Where is the CIA response...and will we be able to trust it since it is infiltrated with God only knows how many conflicting Fifth Columnists?? Short Answer: DHYB--Don't Hold Your Breath.

[Sam's Army]

If this war is unjustified, should we return Saddam to power with an apology?

[Fester Chugabrew]

"The claim runs directly counter to the received wisdom about the attacks."

I don't know about that. "Parallel" seems to be a more apt way of seeing things here. Or "similar."

[nuconvert]

LoL.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping and for sharing your insights!

If there is anything substantive to this assertion the Democrats will jump all over it and use it to smear this administration. If they do nothing with it, I suggest we can safely assume it doesn't have "legs".

On ZULU's point, I agree that overturning the rule in Iran is a necessary part of winning the war on terror. The short-sighted previous policies tried to fight terror like crime, on a case-by-case basis --- but terrorism is ideological and must be won by pulling up the roots as well. IMHO, terrorism cannot gain steam in a Democracy which supports individual liberty.

[A. Pole]

On ZULU's point, I agree that overturning the rule in Iran is a necessary part of winning the war on terror.

Which way would you "overturn the rule"? Would you force secularization of the system by eliminating the supervisory religious bodies and imposing the sepration of religion and state, while preserving the parliament and elections? Or would you suppress the parlamentary system and restored to power pro-Western dictatorship (which had control under shah)?

[DuncanWaring]

"That one", I believe, was Rwanda.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your post and your question!

I would like to see a secular government in Iran. I prefer a republic, but the nature of representation ought to be up to them.

[knak]

I read about this rumor a couple of days ago also.

[nuconvert]

Now that I've had my laugh.......remember, these are names transcribed into our alphabet. The person translating or transcribing is going for a "sound" in our alphabet. This is a problem for INS, CIA, Homeland Security, etc. Words and names can be spelled differently by individuals trying to use our alphabet. A word or name may be spelled with "oo" one time and then "u" another time. Or another word may be spelled ending in "id" sometimes, and then "ed" . And the same person may spell it differently themselves from one time to the next. It's tricky. And makes for some serious problems in trying to identify the right person from the spelling of their name, for instance.

[nuconvert]

"The U.S. should engineer a popular revolution against the Ayatollahs from inside Iran. There is enough dissention and enough dissidents there to do it. I think the Iranian people are tired enough of being ruled by Islamic Cromwellians by now. We can provide weapons, ammo and technical expertise as well as air support and surveillance assistance to the dissidents there."

I understand your feelings, but the U.S. can't do what the Iranian people don't want. To the best of my knowledege, we haven't been asked to provide weapons, for instance.
It's very frustrating to see things moving along so slowly, especially for Americans who are used to swift change. I believe Richard Perle and David Frum......change is coming to Iran, just be patient a little longer. (And don't pay any attention to the State Dept)

[Dog]

Where did you read that at??

I posted a thread about a capture of a senior AQ leader in Karachi.....put the Pakistanis don't know who it really is. Last I read was that this suspect was flown into Islamabad to be transferred to the CIA/FBI.

[Angelus Errare]

I thought I pinged you for this one yesterday - it goes over more on who this defector is, among other things:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1062269/posts

[knak]

I don't remember exactly where, it was just a one line blurb. But I beleive it was from the DJ newswires. Anyway here's another story saying it's not true.

U.S. Official: No Truth to Rumor Bin Laden Captured