So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[bvw]

1. Yes!

2. Yes!

3. Yes!

4. No. ...

   Mister Bush said that he thought the legislation was un-Constitutional while running for office. In office, with different information and different necessities, priorities and balances of political forces to be made, it is most likely likely he became convinced that the Constitutionality questions were best settled by the Supreme Court, that allowing to USSCT to settle such in-their-time contentious issues was the established practise.

   It was a horrible decision to have made -- while such passing-the-buck is the established modern executive practise, a man the caliber of George W. Bush is well expected to be able to stand on his own two feet and NOT just be part of the neep tide of the times. For the first hundred and fifty years or so Presidents had stood up for the Constitution, not needing the Nanny's okay. Why did Dubya regress on this issue, and join that slacker modern practise of executives passing the buck?

   Even if the law were G-d-forbid, truly "Constitutional" its terms are so arcane, its stricture so perverse to freedom, that to protect the public and Liberty a more duty-aware Chief Executive would have refused to sign it.

[blackie]

I never have for voted for the lesser of two evils ~ I vote for GWB becuase he is the best man for the job.

I said I liked Howard Phillips, I also like my neighbor ~ neither one would be a good president.

[Sam Cree]

read later

[blackie]

"More than ever, if Bush loses, America loses."

You got it Zook ~ Big Time!

[blackie]

He gets money and votes from my wife and I ~ Go GWB!

[RiflemanSharpe]

I never have for voted for the lesser of two evils ~ I vote for GWB becuase he is the best man for the job.

I said I liked Howard Phillips, I also like my neighbor ~ neither one would be a good president.

You are intitled to your opinion, but I no longer think that GWB is the best man for the job. I think he has moved to far to the left and is spending way to much. This is why I am looking real hard a the Constitution Party.

[gatorbait]

Dismissed?

What this means is simply this.I no longer wish to waste my time with an irrational,immature paranoid.Go away,poltroon and look for those mexicans in your pantry.

[George W. Bush]

Heh-heh. Methinks you've been looking around and see that you're in a small minority at FR supporting the open-borders nuttiness BushCo announced.

Notice his drop in the polls after SOTU?

Maybe you don't get the message but even Rove isn't dumb enough to ignore that response.

[gatorbait]

Maybe you have not gotten the message that I think you're a one note jackass and I wish to have nothing further to do with a slobbering imbecile,which, in my opinion,you are working hard to convince me that you are.

I'd wager that the poll drops have a lot more to do with the focusing on the Dems' NH adventures than anything else.It happens in every election cycle, or did you fail history,too? Most of the public does not see a Mexican under every bed as you appear to do.

As stated, I find you incapable of rational discourse and prefer that you go join the rest of the unappeasable paranoids in your little corner of your perfect world. Does this help clear it up for you at all or did you want to apply for that opening I have for a lawn ornament,too?

[Pubbie]

"Hypothetically, however, he could issue a mass pardon to Illegals."

Even giving a Presidential pardon isn't the same thing legally as granting citizenship.

I don't think there is any way for Bush to EO handing out citizenship or a green/blue card.

It circumvents Congress and I think it would be illegal and struck down by the courts.

And the Political ramifications would of course be disastrous on par or even worse than the Clinton Pardon scandals only this time the Liberal Media would go out of it's way to tar and feather Bush.

Congressman BillyBob - Is there any way legally for Bush to Executive Order enactment of his Amnesty plan without getting a Green Light from Congress?

[Pubbie]

And the media would be right to tar and feather Bush if he tried to force Amnesty with an EO.

[Congressman Billybob]

Thanks for your question about Executive Orders. After the disaster of Billyjeff Clinton, it is hard to say where the absolute limit on EO's is. I recall with great disgust the comment of that sleazoid lawyer, Paul Begala, on that subject, "Stroke of a pen, law of the land, Kinda neat."

If President Bush wanted to establish his immigration plan by EOs, large chunks of it could be shoved through that way. However, nothing in Bush's background suggests that he would do such a thing, in defiance of Congress.

Contrast this situation with the appointment of judges. Bush let the minority of Democrats in the Senate hold up his judicial appointments, before he finally used a specific power given to the President by the Constitution, and put one judge, Pickering, on the bench by recess appointment.

In short, the idea that Bush would use an EO to establish his immigration plan, rather than having it work its way through Congress and be changed in ways Congress wants, is a red herring. It is a constitutional will-of-the-wist, born of the Clinton Administration, not this one.

IMHO.

Congressman Billybob

Click here, then click the blue CFR button, to join the anti-CFR effort (or visit the "Hugh & Series, Critical & Pulled by JimRob" thread).

[George W. Bush]

Does this help clear it up for you at all or did you want to apply for that opening I have for a lawn ornament,too?

I see. So you like to think of the illegal alien workforce as a bunch of 'lawn ornaments'. Keep the border open for your cheap 'lawn ornaments'. Is that right?

Lovely.

[Pubbie]

Thanks BillyBob!

[gatorbait]

So you like to think of the illegal alien workforce as a bunch of 'lawn ornaments'.

No, I don't think that at all.I think you are so dense, you'd make a great lead lawn ornament. Lovelier. Now, go away, stalker.

[Pubbie]

Howlin, do you have any information about Bush pushing through an Illegal Alien Amnesty through an Executive order?

[George W. Bush]

No, I don't think that at all.

But you just called them all a bunch of 'lawn ornaments', cheap labor for your enjoyment. You invited me to join them and be one of your 'lawn ornaments'. Now you say you "don't think" what you actually wrote less than an hour ago, an opinion you've expressed consistently on this thread.

[Pubbie]

Apparently Zipporah claimed that a Senate Aid told him that Bush would Executive Order to impliment his Amnesty plan.

[blackie]

I got that you don't like GWB ~ I like him more each year!

Hoover was president when I was born and GWB is one of three best presidents during my life time!

Before he's finsihed in '08, he'll probably go down in history as the best!

[Sockdologer]

Thank you. It's about time someone pointed these things out.