So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[zook]

"Who is "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? I'm still here! I always say that it's better to give a resentment than get one. Enjoy yours!"

If people knew what you were talking about, you might have a point.

[skip2myloo]

It sure is looking that way.

How our adherence and allegiance to those principles expressed in our Declaration of Independence and in our U.S. Constitution have come to be characterized as reactionary and radical conservatism is a bizarre example of Orwellian doublespeak.

To us, obedience to the rule of law shouldn’t provide wide latitude for interpretation at all; much less complete reinvention based on whatever notion is politically correct from time-to-time. We understand who the “people” are, and we understand the meaning of “Congress shall make no law…”

To most of us, what is right and what is wrong are relatively easily differentiated. Coupled with our unalienable Constitutional freedoms, we believe free enterprise and capitalism in the hands of a dynamic and naturally industrious people have assured our success as a nation.

I believe a lot of hardworking folks out there in flyover country, who think they're Democrats feel exactly the same way.

The Republicans ought to be exploiting them by appealing to their fundamental instincts as Americans.

I truly believe Ron Paul's common sense would appeal to many others than just "conservatives" if they took time to listen to his clear message. Mr. Constitution.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Thanks....but I'm not discouraged. I can see 'em for what they are. And I'm probably NOT going to argue with them.

I have 3 brick walls in the back yard that are equally effective, if you know what I mean!

Well, wait....they're not really OLD brick walls. Perhaps I should find one that needs taking down so I can periodically "do it".

I truly do thank you, though.

[Sabertooth]

I am more than pleased to defer to your knowledge on this subject, Sabertooth. You have informed yourself very thoroughly on it while I have not. However, the current political climate is not favorable to proposals such as yours succeeding.

Where could you p[ossibly get such an idea?

I'm asking in all seriousness.

President Bush's Amnesty is a political disaster. People hate it by a wide margin now, and that margin will widen as they understand that the "not an Amnesty" is exactly that.

There has never been a better political climate than now for the proposals I've put forth.

For example, a number of the leaders in the Arizona congressional delegation are pushing for a guest worker program. New Mexico, with Bill Richardson as governor, would like to lead the way toward open borders. Texas, although a conservative state, has long had kind of a blurry border with Mexico. And I don't need to tell you about California.

Yeah, in California, pandering to Illegals failed, yet again, as it always does.

Those you named are all politicians who are woefully out of touch with the electorate on the matter of Illegals. This issue is about to blow up again. The vast majority of the political and media elite have badly misjuidged the potential for voter wrath.

The Democratic, Libertarian and Green parties all want to erase the border altogether. Only the more conservative members of Congress (most not from border states) are holding the line on this issue. The President, as a former governor of a border state, is not unlike most other border state politicians on this issue. So how do the kinds of reforms you propose ever rise to the point of becoming serious legislation with a chance of passage?

We apply the California solution: start throwing the recalcitrant bums out.

[Godebert]

"GWB Is The Man ~ He Keeps His Word And He Has Cajones!"

Did George Bush place his hand on the Holy Bible and swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America? Did George Bush say he thought the McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance legislation was un-Constitutional? Did George Bush then sign that legislation into law abridging our 1st Amendment rights? Did George Bush keep his word and uphold his sworn oath?

[George W. Bush]

It seems that no one will ever change the others mind here.

Yes, they do. Don't be impatient just because people are hardnosed.

Plenty of people change their positions on FR over the course of time. Of course, many just won't admit it.

If there was no chance that anyone would ever change their opinions, what would be the point of FR anyway?

[George W. Bush]

And I also think that GWB has a vision that hispanics being of a religious and faith based culture...they will not side with the secular left that is maorally destroying our country and values....

A proposition that remains untested. The results of 2000 and 2002 national elections were not encouraging.

The whole Arnold-macho thing may be peculiar to a single candidate. He's simply not the average Republican candidate.

I don't think the election of a very liberal Republican movie star in one state somehow changes the entire voting pattern of a particular minority demographic.

Of course, I'd welcome a conservative or even a GOP political realignment. But like the claims we see floated here at FR that the historically solid Jewish vote for Dims is eroding rapidly, there is no evidence for it yet.

[George W. Bush]

Calling on conservatives to sit out the election, thus allowing one of these Democrats to win the White House, is an act against freedom.

So, exercising our freedom to vote for the candidate we choose or not to vote at all is the only freedom we can't enjoy?

Strange, I thought we still had rights in this country.

[gatorbait]

Do you really think I'd vote Democrat? I hope to vote Constitution Party

Why fook with the middleman? Vote Democrat directly instead of some third party time waster.Your irrational act would be the same and a bit more honest.

[gatorbait]

fook=fool in typonese

[looscnnn]

Hmmmmm. How about enforcing the current laws? What makes you think they will pay the fine? What will happen if they don't?

[Happy2BMe]

"We apply the California solution: start throwing the recalcitrant bums out."

Breaking applause growing audibly louder in the background . . (coming from all FIFTY STATES) . .

[Happy2BMe]

"How about enforcing the current laws?"

What Is Considered An Illegal Activity Under Immigration Law?

Here are some examples of the most common violations of United States Immigration laws:

Examples:

(This is not a complete list of violations.)

• filing false statements on applications or petitions
• making a false claim that you are a United States citizen
• making, altering or using counterfeit immigration documents
• making, altering or using counterfeit documents to support immigration applications or petitions
• failing to report the arrival of illegal aliens
• assisting or encouraging aliens to come to the United States in violation of the law
• harboring an illegal alien
• knowingly employing aliens who do not have permission to work in the United States
• recruiting or referring for a fee aliens who do not have permission to work in the United States
• failing to complete and maintain immigration Form I-9 for all new employees, whether citizens or aliens
• failing to depart the United States when ordered removed (deported)
• entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place which is not authorized
• attempting to enter the United States by misrepresenting (lying about) material facts
• entering into a marriage to circumvent the immigration laws
• entering or attempting to enter the United States without permission after having been removed (deported)
• assisting an alien to enter the United States for prostitution or other immoral purposes

[Texasforever]

Gee, Wolfstar, in precisely what respects has Bush been more conservative than Reagan?

Oh that's easy. Bush has not raised taxes, Reagan did. Bush did not advocate for the Brady bill Reagan did. Bush did not pull troops out of harms way when they took casualties, Reagan did, Bush has actually signed anti-abortion measures, Reagan never did. Bush has stood up to the UN Reagan never did. Bush is advocating privatization of Social Security, Reagan signed the largest increase in payroll taxes in history to "save" social security. Shall I go on?

[skip2myloo]

We'll waive the fine, give 'em a brand new truck which includes a manufacturer's $1500 rebate, plus $500 in food stamps and send 'em to Minnesota, the state with the most generous welfare benefits.

In the meantime we'll process their application for SSI as rapidly as possible.

[Texasforever]

In the meantime we'll process their application for SSI as rapidly as possible.

You really, really dislike these folks don't you?

[skip2myloo]

For public officials, there is no concept of personal accountability for behavior contrary to the Constitution, or for unlawful acts, prevarication and misfeasance.

On the rare occasion a public official is found guilty by a court for an unlawful official act, the government pays fines or restitution from the public treasury to settle grievances.

That’s not justice, that’s a perverse irony.

Instead of holding accountable the guilty individual, the government punishes the whole of the people, the taxpayers, by levying the public treasury, picking the pockets of citizens, for its own misdeeds, meanwhile often completely absolving and holding harmless themselves and their cronies.

Our governments at all levels (federal, state, local) have lost sight of the idea their role is as servants of the people, not our benefactors.

The politicians have failed, nay REFUSED, to enforce our immigration laws, and now they want to legitimize their unlawful acts.

[tubavil]

Bush a conservative? Right!

-Sodomy ruling.
-10 Commandments removal.
-Outspent Klinton and every other president for the last 40 years.
-Socialized medication for seniors.
-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AMNESTY.

I could go on but these are just at the top of my list.

[4Freedom]

"On an issue of such great consequence, the people's voice must be heard."

Bush, the champion of the "people's voice", when it suits him and Rove.

So far, Bush is doing a bang-up job of ignoring the "people's voice" on out-of-control legal and illegal immigration, big government spending, big government borrowing, big government intervention in our daily lives, etc., etc., ad infinitum, but he heard some people voice an opinion on marriage and by gum he's going to do something about it.

This is proof positive he does remove the Presidential earplugs for people other than Vicente Fox and Sila Calderon.

What a hypocrite.

LOL!

[bray]

I never called you a liberal, but that you have the liberal mindset- which is to say, you're either insane or ignorant. Whether or not the shoe fits, has no relevance on whether I have the "answer to the question." Which, BTW, I do.

You are way out of line. Who are you to decide who is a liberal or a Conservative. I have been fighting liberals for 25 years. Calling me ignorant or insane only proves how weak your argument was. And don't try to say you didn't with your cute little phrase. I have no more interest in discussing anything with your cheap namecalling. Out!

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