So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[Ophiucus]

Try to read through your optorectumosis.

Take you all week to come up with that?

But at least you finally see how wrong you were.

[sinkspur]

Have you seen the budget for the dept. of homeland defense?

How is a Guest Worker Program part of Homeland Defense?

[kegler4]

"You mean like tax cuts, partial birth abortion ban, testing in the schools, revitalization of the military, reasonable application of environmental laws, active defense of the nation and telling the UN to "go to"?"

There are some problems with your list. The partial birth abortion ban succeeded in outlawing this one procedure (for now at least) but doctors are free to switch to other late-term abortion methods. The bill was smoke and mirrors. Essentially, nothing was accomplished.

Testing in the school has created a HUGE mandated new bureaucracy that has to be paid for either with federal or local tax dollars. Did you think those tests and the people needed to compile info just popped out of the ground free? Our local school system is spending tons of money trying to comply with education mandates and so far sees no positive return.

He told the UN where to go for a little while but is now starting to crawl back to them and to countries that didn't support us because he fears if he doesn't get some help, he could lose the election on this issue. What a man.

[gatorbait]

So, I don't care if 85% of republicans back Bush, he's still liberal on many issues. That is a fact.

Okay, that's fine. You've amply demonstrated your thoughts on this subject. I think you're incorrect in wanting to run off to a marginal party to send a protest vote, no matter how principled you believe it to be. We diverge.

[Tamzee]

Re your 635, very well stated, Tamsey. Could not agree with you more.

It's ironic, though...

The Constitution itself shapes the voter pool into two moderate coalitions...

... certain "principled" conservatives are bitter at having to share power with moderates in a coalition...

so they'll vote a fringe-not-moderate third party....

... to UPHOLD the Constitution ;-)

[international american]

"The "Americans won't do those jobs" talk is pure BS. Both of my parents worked in cotton fields when they were young along with a lot of other Americans and I'm sure plenty could still be found to work the fields if needed. Bush suggesting that Americans won't do those jobs is an insult to Americans."

This is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the American people!!

[Mo1]

AKA: An Anonymous Source

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... that senator's aid ;0)

Well this has been fun .. but I need to help my kids with their homework

TTFN

[Bikers4Bush]

And yet you know everything right?

Nothing ever happens that people hear about behind closed doors right?

I have no reason to doubt Zapporah. If he says it isn't true then fine, I'll admit I was wrong. Until then I see no reason to not believe him. Similar things have been broken here in the past.

Like I have said repeatedly, we shall see.

I have already proven to sinkspur that immigration law CAN and HAS BEEN changed through EO.

Why don't you go ahead and read that link?

[MEG33]

What exactly an international American?I was an American when I lived overseas.

[gatorbait]

And if you read the post from Zapporah it was from someone he knew. Not an official announcement

Then that is hearsay and rumor, not fact,fitting an ill considered ,preconceived notion. When Zipporah gets this as fact, in writing with a verifiable source, great. This is simply, in my opinion, hysteria otherwise.

[Howlin]

Actually, you didn't prove anything with that link except that Bush can issue EO's to form the Homeland Security Department.

How about pointing to me where he CHANGED the immigration law in that EO?

[Mr. Mojo]

The "Americans won't do those jobs" talk is pure BS.

It sure is. I moved up to W. Washington from So. Cal a few years ago, and I quickly noticed that most of the "dirty" jobs done by illegals down in the Southland are done by U.S. citizens up here (although there are illegals up here as well.....just not nearly as many). Sure, it costs a little more, but the costs to the nation are far less in the long run.

[Bikers4Bush]

The INS no longer exists. It has been absorbed by the Dept. of homeland security.

Any program of this nature will be handled by the Dept. of homeland security. After all this is how he's proposing to identify friendly illegals as opposed to hostile ones is it not?

[exmarine]

Are you saying I am unprincipled if I vote for Bush?

No.

[Howlin]

Bikers said: "I have already proven to sinkspur that immigration law CAN and HAS BEEN changed through EO. "

Can you point me to that post?

[kevao]

How is a Guest Worker Program part of Homeland Defense?

Once all the illegals are legal, the American people will feel more secure knowing that we no longer have 9 to 14 million illegals in the country. So simple!

[MEG33]

You spoke as if I were part of a herd mentality voting for party,not principle,it seemed.

[Mo1]

I have already proven to sinkspur that immigration law CAN and HAS BEEN changed through EO.

You did??

Where??

[Ophiucus]

Voting third party at a time of war, both at home and abroad, when the only real choices are a moderately conservative (or conservatively moderate) incumbent, and the incarnation of evil in our society, is lunacy. Where in the so-called "real conservative's" set of values is the principle of cutting off their face to spite their nose? Being a loser isn't one of the values I cherish.

Agreed. Bush is a conservative to me even if I don't always agree with him. This is no time to abandon him or Republicans in a fit of pique.

[honeygrl]

How in the world did you get this:

"So you are blaming and accusing him for things Clinton did?"

From this:

"Seems pretty clear to me after the EO's that clinton wrote that it is entirely possible. "

Mo1?? You sure are trying to put an aweful lot of words in someone's mouth. That seriously takes away from any point you were trying to make.