So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[hchutch]

See Wolfstar's post 51.

[Bikers4Bush]

That's the second time you've posted the same thing and I'm still waiting for you to apply the label.

[steve-b]

America's security and future depend on keeping strong pro-military, pro-American Presidents in the White House. And Bush is the only one running who qualifies.

Well, then, Bush had better get his rear in gear and earn back the voters who have been giving up on him in disgust. He doesn't have much time.

[Constantine XIII]

Touchdown W!

I especially like how he thanks the Lord often, not to mention the sneak attack with the tax-deductable medical insurance. :p

[looscnnn]

"President Bush's proposal of a guest worker program most defintely is NOT an amnesty."

Let's go over this again,

What is an amnesty? "An amnesty is a general pardon granted by a government for a past offense. Crossing a U.S. border without a visa is a misdemeanor under federal law, and reentering the U.S. after a prior order of deportation is a felony. Under Bush’s proposal, these crimes will not be prosecuted, and that means it is an amnesty."

Also, "Bush goes on to offer the perpetrators visas and work permits, so it is not entirely accurate to call the Bush proposal an amnesty. It is an amnesty with an awards program."

Would you like definitions for amnesty also? Face it, it is what it is. "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duc, it must be a duck."

[ohioWfan]

What's pathetic is to read ad nauseum that you aren't going to vote for him because.......(insert issue of the day).

You have all lost any credibility you may have had with reasonable dialogue, because of your emotion based, childish, "I'm going to take my ball and go home" posts....

How do you expect to be taken seriously by anyone but your small band of buddies??

[Protagoras]

I'd hate to be forced to live with their decision

I guess it's all square, they have been forced to live with others' decisions that gave them a choice between frick and frack in election after election.

Nominate someone good if you want people to back your candidate.

[RiflemanSharpe]

In my case my vote is relatively meaningless. I live in TX, if GWB is in danger of losing here he has lost in to many other states to hopw to win. I therefore free to protest GWB by offering my vote to the Constitution party. In the hopes that this act and others will push the reps to the right. I vote for the most conservative person I can. I will be voting rep in the other races.

[Bikers4Bush]

Do you know what a double entendre is?

[Constantine XIII]

Lol, kinda gives one that violent urge we all got when we heard about some goober bragging that he voted for Perot.

[Protagoras]

Libertarian Bush-hater alert.

One track mind/forgot to take their meds alert.

[Cold Heat]

One has to wonder if there might not be a connection - cause and effect.

Sure there is.

We do such a crappy job of deciding who can come and cannot.

We never gave the unskilled any attention and they came because employers were waiting for them.

Yet the federal government satisfied the complainers in the unions and never gave the consequences a second thought.

Your point shows that history should have been a guide, yet was silenced by the loudness of the complaining parties.

[mr.pink]

The rest of us are bright enough to understand that we will disagree on issues with ANY President, and don't threaten to abandon him if he goes 'astray' from our litmus list.

Do you really believe the neo conservatives won't toss Bush aside and move to Kerry if he "strays" from their "litmus" list?

IMO, the "fringe left" conservatives will abandone Bush just as easily as the "fringe right" conservatives will.

I'm curious as to whether you find one group tossing Bush more acceptible than another., one litmus list more worthy.

Thanks.

[dagnabbit]

It is a sign of character and courage in a president if he calls an issue in a way he knows is unpopular.

Come on, this is being done to try to curry favor with Hispanic voters and some types of businesses, and for no other reason. There is no principle at work here beyond pandering. Why else is this being pushed in an election year?

All the people have to do is stop whining on forums like this, get off their duffs, and work to defeat it.

Do we have your permission to do both? Can we "whine" on FR and lobby elsewhere to defeat Bush's assault on our country? Can folks use FR to rally the like-minded and explain how to lobby?

[Bikers4Bush]

P.S. Keep drinking the kool aid. As you can see there are a number of others who agree with me.

[The Coopster]

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[RiflemanSharpe]

In my case my vote is relatively meaningless. I live in TX, if GWB is in danger of losing here he has lost in to many other states to hopw to win. I therefore free to protest GWB by offering my vote to the Constitution party. In the hopes that this act and others will push the reps to the right. I vote for the most conservative person I can. I will be voting rep in the other races.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...And if someone didn't know that the President was going to pass this... then they weren't paying attention to the 2000 campaign. Because he said he was going to do it...

Your argument supports the idea that we were all stupid to vote for him in the first place.

He said he would attack the first amendment and he did.
He said he will attack the second amendment, so I guess he will.

[Wolfstar]

And where in the Constitution does it say that education is a Federal concern?

People who mindlessly chant this particular mantra simply do not know their American history. Public education was extremely important to all the founders. During the Constitutional Convention, there was a proposal to created a national university. This was defeated not because the founders were against public education, but because they wanted to leave the matter to the states.

It's no accident that every state in the union has a system of public colleges and universities. The Founding Fathers led by example. Thomas Jefferson started the University of Virginia. Other framers of the Constitution helped found the public university systems in their states. People interested in knowing the truth about the founders' attitude toward public education should read: "Proposals Relating to the Education of Youth in Pensilvania," written in 1749 by one of the greatest early Americans, Benjamin Franklin. He founded the University of Pennsylvania. Click this link to read it for yourselves.

[Blzbba]

"Well more than Jimmy Carter, anyway. "


Yet, they both pronounce "nuclear" the same way...