Wow. The story of two Jewish men, as recorded in the Bible, are actually EGYPTIAN?? Jesus was buried according to EGYPTIAN custom? Lazarus, too?
It is YOU, Race, that is making an extraordinary claim. It is you who is claiming, against all Biblical scholarship, that the Christians who for 2000 years have observed Good Friday as the day of Jesus's crucifixion, are wrong.
No, they didnt observe this for 2000 years at all.
The Friday before Easter, the day in the Holy Week on which the yearly commemoration of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ is observed. As early as the 2nd century, there are references to fasting and penance on this day by Christians, who, since the time of the early church, had observed every Friday as a fast day in memory of the Crucifixion. In the Roman rite of the Roman Catholic Church, the liturgical service for Good Friday has been in approximately the same form for centuries, the notable difference since 1955 being the communion of the people. The liturgy, now celebrated after 3 pm, consists of three distinct parts: readings and prayers (including the Passion according to St. John), the veneration of the cross, and the communion (in place of the Liturgy of the pre-sanctified which developed in the Middle Ages). Non-liturgical devotions such as the Way of the Cross, and the Three Hours Service were introduced in the Roman Catholic Church after the Protestant Reformation and are still observed in some places. The Three Hours Service is a three-hour-long service consisting of sermons, hymns, and prayers centered round Christ's "seven last words on the Cross." It takes place from 12 noon to 3 pm on Good Friday.
It is the Friday before Easter that was always a fast day, but it was NOT always the day that was observed as the day of the Crucifixion.
It is you who insists on applying a Western mind set to an inherently Eastern document.
No, I apply the known, proven definition of the word, something quite simple actually.
It is you who idly sweeps aside 100 years of scholarly research on the Shroud, dismissing it as Jesus's Shroud, merely on YOUR interpretation of words in an ENGLISH Bible.
No, I just apply simple Biblical logic to the fairy tale that this piece of cloth which is nothing ore than an archaelogical oddity that many people have been foolish to believe is a relic similar to the other relics of a particular faith.
God very many times in the past destroyed certain people's bodies to prevent the use of the bones as relics, such as Moses. To then take whatever you can and somehow apply it to Jesus makes those items an idol, and people go and worship it as something that is supposed to help them build up their faith.
That is what an idol is.
Did I say that? No, I did not. I said that YOU were confabulating (that means combining one thing into another) Egyptian burial practices with Jewish to come up with things like extra cloths, etc. The Egyptian mode of burial is the source of the idea that there were MANY cloths involved with the burial of Jesus. I have had this same discussion with others before, some of which claim the Bible says that Jesus and Lazarus were wrapped up in bandage like strips.
This is another example of you reading something into words that is not there.
Your little Good Friday cuts and pastes are interesting... but irrelevant to this thread, except for YOUR attempts to hijack this discussion to YOUR agenda. I read your thesis and found very little in it of value. I certainly did not want to discuss your errors in depth here. This is not about RaceBannon's pet theory of "Good Wednesday;" it is a thread about the Shroud of Turin."
God very many times in the past destroyed certain people's bodies to prevent the use of the bones as relics, such as Moses. To then take whatever you can and somehow apply it to Jesus makes those items an idol, and people go and worship it as something that is supposed to help them build up their faith. That is what an idol is.
Do you see anyone here "Worshiping" the Shroud of Turin? I don't. We are having a discussion on the possible provenance of the Shroud. I do not worship it... I worship Jesus Christ.
God very many times in the past destroyed certain people's bodies to prevent the use of the bones as relics, such as Moses.
Again, you read things that are not there... and now you claim to know God's motives. Amazing.
Excuse, but this mantra of yours, that I am ignoring your false evidence that I have clearly disproved, rings hollow, as you have not countered any Biblical fact I presented, and observers can see that.
Now you are calling me a liar. Nothing I have posted on here is "false," Race. I can provided source material for everything I have posted... and have done so. Your "disproving" consists of your one note repetition of your OPINION and YOUR interpretation of the facts... without supporting material. That disproves nothing... it just proves you are not willing to consider anything other than your opinion.
I have shown you the words in the Koine Greek original texts... you have shown me the King James Bible. I have shown you the various interpretations possible of the Koine Greek words in the original texts... you have shown me the King James Bible.
I have shown you the most common ENGLISH definitions and usages of the words you are reading in the King James Bible and you insist on narrowly defining them using tertiary or even quaternary meanings to get the interpretation YOU WANT IT TO BE. This is contrary to all rules of exegesis. If you want to believe that your ENGLISH LANGUAGE Bible is the most accurate source of what happened in the first Century AD that was first recorded in Koine Greek writings, I will not argue with you any further because your mind is completely closed.
If you want to argue Good Wednesday, go start your own thread about it. Don't hijack this one. Good bye.