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Bush, backers part ways on immigration reform
Washington Times ^ | Wednesday, January 21, 2004 | By James G. Lakely

Posted on 01/20/2004 10:13:00 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:12:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

New polls show that President Bush's proposal to grant legal status to millions of illegal aliens is widely unpopular, even among his most loyal supporters.

Opposition to the plan runs so deeply that the Christian Coalition of Georgia, a conservative pro-family organization, has dedicated a panel discussion for later this month that will focus on the pitfalls of Mr. Bush's plan.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush43; bushamnesty; christiancoalition; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationplan; jamesglakely
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Wednesday, January 21, 2004

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1 posted on 01/20/2004 10:13:00 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
New polls show that President Bush's proposal to grant legal status to millions of illegal aliens is widely unpopular, even among his most loyal supporters.

Opposition to the plan runs so deeply that the Christian Coalition of Georgia, a conservative pro-family organization, has dedicated a panel discussion for later this month that will focus on the pitfalls of Mr. Bush's plan.

"That's interesting," said Phil Kent, a political consultant who hosted a Bush-Cheney fund-raiser in Atlanta earlier this month. "Who knew that the Christian Coalition was even interested in immigration?"

SNIFF! SNIFF! Get out of the country club, and you might find out a lot of things, Phil.

Sheesh, I thought I'd seen arrogance defined by Clinton and his myrmidons. But that was arrogance towards Clinton's opposition. This is sheer, supercilious contempt of Bush's base. Don't Bush and his high and mighty advisors get it? With another 50-50 election looming, they can't afford to p!ss off people who are their natural electoral base!!!

3 posted on 01/20/2004 10:22:23 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: JohnHuang2
"Phil Mabry, a Republican from outside Dallas who has worked for his party for 35 years, said the "worst thing" the Bush-Cheney campaign can do is take conservatives for granted.

"He's going to lose thousands of votes that he can't afford to lose," Mr. Mabry said. "Reagan he ain't and Reagan he will never be."

Conservatives are the very definition of rugged individualist. They can't even get along with each other. They certainly are not the down on the plantation type, they are more of a burn the plantation down type.

4 posted on 01/20/2004 10:23:11 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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My state senate vote in California for the primary is going to be nearly single issue - immigration.

A FYI for those who plan on writing in Tancredo in the California Republican primary - your votes will not be counted unless Tancredo signs an affidavit and files it with the California Secretary of State. His office has indicated there is no intention of doing this, alas.
6 posted on 01/20/2004 10:30:36 PM PST by kingu (Remember: Politicians and members of the press are going to read what you write today.)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Conservatives are the very definition of rugged individualist. They can't even get along with each other. They certainly are not the down on the plantation type

Naah, the Bush partisans think we can be intimidated by the bogeyman of a Democratic victory if we don't go along.

Failing that, they trot out charges of "racism," "extremism," "neo-nazism," etc. (I've seen all these charges in posts on the immigration issue here). Funny how the GOP operatives, usually so disdainful of "political correctness," surely do know how to call it into service to keep their conservative base in line.

7 posted on 01/20/2004 10:40:28 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Map Kernow
How are any of these folks, under the Bush proposal, going to become American? Maybe we missed something.
8 posted on 01/20/2004 10:44:40 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: JohnHuang2
"Reagan he [GW Bush] ain't and Reagan he will never be."

That's the "quote of the day" for me. Although I did all I could to get Bush elected in 2000---giving money to his campaign at the primary and election phases, voting for him in the primary and the election, persuading others to vote for him, driving a friend to the polls to vote for him, etc.---I always had serious reservations about his competence, his integrity and his conservatism.

He's utterly failed both me and America with this immigration plan. I was half hoping he wouldn't mention the Jan. 7 proposal in his SOTU address, and that the whole idiotic idea would fade away. Nope, he threw it back in the face of all of us, with the same rotten misrepresentations about the plan that he used when he first broached it January 7. He's not going to be able to "sell" this idea to the American people, and especially not to the conservatives and Republicans he needs for re-election, no matter what Rove and his minions think: we're not going to be "sold" on a "sell-out" of our country.

9 posted on 01/20/2004 10:52:38 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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Sometimes conservatives can be knuckleheaded. They demand that all the illegals be rounded up and deported without one thought of how this would be paid for or how it would be done. And if the government knocked on every door checking for illegals to deport, these same conservatives would be screaming bloody hell about invasion of their privacy and loss of their liberty. Bush's proposal is at least one practical way of flushing the illegals out in the open.
10 posted on 01/20/2004 10:58:00 PM PST by E=MC<sup>2</sup>
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The folks at DU are probably laughing their butts off over these threads.
11 posted on 01/20/2004 10:59:05 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Map Kernow
Campaign Finance Regulation-Campaign Finance Reform thread-day 40

12 posted on 01/20/2004 11:01:29 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Opportunity for life: http://www.peroutka2004.com)
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To: Map Kernow
Naah, the Bush partisans think we can be intimidated by the bogeyman of a Democratic victory if we don't go along.

Bush is toast so says , Ma Richards, Al Gore, Saddam Hussein, the United Nations, the European Union, the Taliban and now the non-existent "conservative base" that has been trying to torpedo every Republican President since Ike.

13 posted on 01/20/2004 11:02:41 PM PST by Texasforever
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Campaign Finance Regulation-Campaign Finance Reform thread-day 40

14 posted on 01/20/2004 11:04:05 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Opportunity for life: http://www.peroutka2004.com)
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To: AmericanVictory
How are any of these folks, under the Bush proposal, going to become American? Maybe we missed something.

In the sense of getting public benefits, race preferences and quotas, voting rights, and other special privileges, they'll become "American" all right. In fact, in many ways, they'll have more "privileges and immunities" than American citizens. Both major political parties want to sponsor their entry into the American labor force and society, and whatever the formal terms of the Bush proposal, in practice the immigrants and their employer sponsors will get everything they want, and citizens will be forced to foot the bill.

In terms of integrating into American society, that's another story. You can go to a thread I posted here about how a 30 year effort by the Dutch to "integrate" Muslim immigrants into their society has been a complete failure. What makes us think we'll be able to do better with a populace that regards the American Southwest as still part of Mexico?

15 posted on 01/20/2004 11:04:10 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: CWOJackson
The folks at DU are probably laughing their butts off over these threads.

They sure are, buddy.

But you know what makes me laugh? A President who saves his country from Saddam Hussein just so he can hand it over to Vincente Fox. Makes me laugh so hard it hurts.

16 posted on 01/20/2004 11:06:37 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Map Kernow
Of course that is how you would see it...I wouldn't expect anything more of you or your kind.
17 posted on 01/20/2004 11:08:54 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Map Kernow
Yep we gotta stop all of those Mexicans. They are blowing up everything in sight and then raking up the rubble below minimum wage.
18 posted on 01/20/2004 11:09:44 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: E=MC<sup>2</sup>
Bush's proposal is at least one practical way of flushing the illegals out in the open.

They're already out in the open.

Leonardo Vasquez Cruz, of Palenque, Mexico, left, and Alejandro Badillo, of Mexico City, stand on a corner after a Dallas Police officer told them to leave the area where undocumented immigrants gather for potential employers in Dallas, Wednesday, Jan 7, 2004. According to the men, they would not leave as the police cannot keep them off a public sidewalk. The officer soon left the area.

19 posted on 01/20/2004 11:09:49 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: E=MC<sup>2</sup>
Sometimes conservatives can be knuckleheaded. They demand that all the illegals be rounded up and deported without one thought of how this would be paid for or how it would be done. And if the government knocked on every door checking for illegals to deport, these same conservatives would be screaming bloody hell about invasion of their privacy and loss of their liberty. Bush's proposal is at least one practical way of flushing the illegals out in the open.

Yeah, right, pal. It's so "unconservative" to expect the law's letter about "deportable aliens" to be enforced. That's what all that fresh air with one's head pulled out of one's fundus can do to a person.

20 posted on 01/20/2004 11:10:36 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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