[Sabertooth]

I don't get what is going on with FR as of late. I didn't find the President's speech up to par. I thought it was below average and I have no idea what the hell steroid use and the state of the union have in common...total pointless crap.

Bush skipped the big issues with me tonight...especially what his plan is for immigration. Yeah, I caught what he said about not granting amnesty and all of that but he stayed away from the real issues of border safety and control and what we are going to do about it. Nothing about Osama bin-Laden at all. His name was not even mentioned. WTF? Nothing about the road map and the corruption of Syria and where America will stand there. Nothing on how he plans on getting more jobs in this country and not out of this country. Nothing on when he plans on stoping spending like a madman.

Well, I'm kinda resigned to the President spending like a madman. Don't worry, I'll still rant about it from time to time.

The steroid thing was definitely pointless crap, but overall, there was less pointless crap this year than in previous years.

The President's "Not an Amnesty" Amnesty for Illegals is a fixation of his that we'll just have to deal with whenever that mood strkes him.

The highlights were the WoT, Tax cuts, and the best part of the speech was raising the possibility of a Constitutional Amendment for the definition of marriage.

Overall, I scored this year's SOTU a B+

[Fledermaus]

Yeah, but let's get real...they always put pointless crap like the steroid thing into the speech. Clinton was the worst...every year I'd tell my wife, "you watch, he'll bring up stubbed toes and call for national sidewalk reform".

[endthematrix]

"The steroid thing was definitely pointless crap, but overall, there was less pointless crap this year than in previous years."

Remember, this is a culture war too. What you might think is outta right field is actually a dialog deeper issues. He's getting out of the N. Korean debate and hit it at home. What are KIDS WATCHING? CRAP! He should have said stop watching the VIEW, but hey, stereos are just as bad! When did Clinton say ANYTHING on family values?

[longtermmemmory]

the not amnesty amnesty is codifying what exists now. Illegals can hid for ten years and pay to get legal. They pay 1800 dollars in late fees hire a lawyer for $5000+ and they get their green card. This is the law now.

I see the immigration "reform" working IF and only IF the border gets much more solid. With this the mexican (aztlan advocates) will have no leg to stand on to object to reinforcing the border.

I was pleased by the metion of the Federal Marriage Amendment.

I think people have become a tad spoiled and forgot how bad it was with Democrat Party control of Congress. Eliminating the great society welfare state, dismatling the democrat party, and helping people "off the plantation," is going to take decades.

The issue is not "speechifying" the issue is what are the results. Ecconomy up, saddam not funding homicide bombers, tax cuts, those are results.