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Cannabis is blamed as cause of man's death
Telegraph Group Limited ^ | 20/01/2004) | Richard Savill

Posted on 01/19/2004 10:04:33 PM PST by Dubya

A man of 36 is believed to have become the first person in Britain to die directly from cannabis poisoning.

Lee Maisey smoked six cannabis cigarettes a day for 11 years, an inquest heard. His death, which was registered as having been caused by cannabis toxicity, led to new warnings about the drug, which is due to be reclassified this month as a less dangerous one.

"This type of death is extremely rare," Prof John Henry, a toxicologist at Imperial College, London, said after the inquest at Haverfordwest, west Wales.

"I have not seen anything like this before. It corrects the argument that cannabis cannot kill anybody."

The inquest heard that Mr Maisey had complained of a headache on Aug 22 last year. Next morning he was found dead at the house he shared with a friend, Jeffrey Saunders, in Summerhill, Pembrokeshire.

Michael Howells, the Pembrokeshire coroner, said Mr Maisey was free from disease and had not drunk alcohol for at least 48 hours. Post-mortem tests showed a high level of cannabinoids in his blood.

He recorded a verdict of death by misadventure because Mr Maisey had died while taking part in an illegal activity. The death led to a warning about the changing strength of Dr Philip Guy, a lecturer in addictions at the University of Hull, said: "Cannabis is not the nice hippy drug it used to be. It has been experimented with to produce stronger varieties."

Dr Guy said that death was more likely if users ate the drug rather than smoked it. "I would not be surprised if in this case the deceased had ingested a fatal amount of cannabis."

Last autumn police issued a warning that big consignments of strong cannabis were being smuggled in from Africa. On Jan 29, cannabis will be reclassified from a class B to a class C drug.

The shadow home secretary, David Davis, said last night: "This highlights what we have been saying about the effects of cannabis all along. When will people wake up to the fact that cannabis can be a harmful drug?

"By reclassifying the drug David Blunkett has shown he has lost the war on drugs. In my eyes, it's nothing more than an admission of failure."

Tristan Millington-Drake, the chief executive of the Chemical Dependency Centre


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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Well, by todays logic. Drugs are bad when we say they are bad. Drugs are bad h'mkay? Druggies are bad 'cause they are a drain on our socialized medical system and our communistic welfare services. But Drugs are BAD. They are bad because they are Bad. Unless, of course, they are prescribed to you by a unionized doctor or a major pharmaceutical company who contribute heavily to political campaigns. But remember that Drugs are bad.

Got the gist of the logic now?

61 posted on 01/20/2004 7:34:05 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse
Drugs are BAD. They are bad because they are Bad. Unless, of course, they are prescribed to you by a unionized doctor or a major pharmaceutical company who contribute heavily to political campaigns.

Or a brewer or distiller who contributes heavily to political campaigns.

62 posted on 01/20/2004 7:39:45 AM PST by Land of the Free 04
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
I'll deal with today's world.

In today's world, is marijuana criminalization a good idea, and if so, why?

63 posted on 01/20/2004 7:41:06 AM PST by Land of the Free 04
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To: Land of the Free 04
Or a papermill, textile company, Union law enforcement, union DEA agents, union backed logging companies, ect...

Billions of dollars on the line just on the legal side of the WoD. Trillions stand to be lost on the ILLEGAL side. Should those drugs ever become "legal", the entire bottom would fall out of their markets.

64 posted on 01/20/2004 7:54:36 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: rebelyell
Seems to me a key point missing in this story is the fact that cannibis is NOT TOXIC.

I don't care about all that.

I was just commenting on the amount of dope the guy was smoking- which was a lot.

65 posted on 01/20/2004 8:01:59 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Land of the Free 04
OK, I'll ask a third time: Please post a few links to FR discussions where this is the main logic (this being "we need to stop them before they start having sex with colored jazz musicians") against pot. Thanks!
66 posted on 01/20/2004 8:02:49 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Got the gist of the logic now?

No. Please go over **your** logic one more time. I understand the logic against legalizing drugs but your logic is very different.

67 posted on 01/20/2004 8:04:17 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
In today's world, is marijuana criminalization a good idea, and if so, why?

OK, I'll ask a third time: Please post a few links to FR discussions where this is the main logic (this being "we need to stop them before they start having sex with colored jazz musicians") against pot.

I said nothing about sex with colored jazz musicians---that was jmc813. Now will you answer my question?

68 posted on 01/20/2004 8:06:41 AM PST by Land of the Free 04
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
I understand the logic against legalizing drugs

I don't. What is it?

69 posted on 01/20/2004 8:07:11 AM PST by Land of the Free 04
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To: Land of the Free 04
In today's world, is marijuana criminalization a good idea, and if so, why?

Is signing up repeatedly to promote drugs after being banned a good idea, and if so, why?

70 posted on 01/20/2004 8:11:14 AM PST by Hacksaw (theocratic Confederate flag waving loyalty oath supporter)
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To: rebelyell
"The closest they came was suffocating some poor monkeys to death by cutting off their oxygen supply and replacing it with smoke from burning cannabis."

They asphixiated 'em.
BWAAHAAAAA!!!

...OMG, now that's rich.

71 posted on 01/20/2004 8:14:10 AM PST by Landru (Tagline Schmagline...)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Nice try troll.

You have no logic at all. Just the irrational hate of an inanimate object and your desire to protect your socialist government programs. If you had an honest bone in your body you would be able to see the communist overtones to the WoD.

You don't, which makes any further attempts to change whatever mind you may possess entirely moot.

72 posted on 01/20/2004 8:14:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: rebelyell
Just goes to show ya, Better to grow your own...LOL
73 posted on 01/20/2004 8:21:27 AM PST by missyme
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To: JudyB1938
Proably Ephedra....
74 posted on 01/20/2004 8:22:20 AM PST by missyme
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To: Dead Corpse
You have no logic at all. Just the irrational hate of an inanimate object and your desire to protect your socialist government programs. If you had an honest bone in your body you would be able to see the communist overtones to the WoD.

BWAAaaahhhhhh, HHHaaaaaa, Haaaaa, haaaa, haaaa.... OH! You crack me up! Lets see... I have an irrational hate! Hmmm your words: "socialist," "communist," "WoD."; Yes, there is some deep hatred going on here. You won't see it from me though!

If you want help with your drug problem there are plenty of places you can go. It's sad reading your angry posts toward people who don't want or need mind altering drugs. If only you didn't have this deep seeded need to escape reality...

75 posted on 01/20/2004 8:25:23 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Hacksaw
Is signing up repeatedly to promote drugs

Who's promoting drugs? Not me.

after being banned

What makes you think I've been banned?

76 posted on 01/20/2004 8:30:04 AM PST by Land of the Free 04
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To: wireplay
I haven't smoked for 15 years but I can't believe that for all this time SUDDENLY someone dies of smoking. Just smacks me of an agenda.

And just as it is about to be reclassified as a less dangerous drug. Good timing. Just like the mass shootings here ocurring just before gun control legislation is about to be voted on.

In any event, I wonder just how thourough the autopsy was, and what the known lethal amount of cannabis in the blood is.

BTW, I oppose any drug use.

77 posted on 01/20/2004 8:34:27 AM PST by templar
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Really? Do you think so? Let's look at it then...

Of the reasons put forth for the Drug War, besides "drugs are bad", are the following.
1. Paternalistic attitude on the part of the drug warrior. Individuals are too stupid to run their own lives, so Big Government needs to do it for them. "People must be saved from themselves." kind of attitude. Despite the fact that our gene pool would be much cleaner if these defectives were allowed to "Darwin out".
2. Welfare/Medicare cost. The increase in social spending to support those so drugged out that they can no longer hold a job. Social programs in and of themselves are "communal" and collectivized. The VERY definition of "socialism". You bleeding heart communists just can't help but screaming "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN????" They aren't MY children. I can afford to pay my insurance premiums (at least for now). If it wasn't for increase in taxes due to MORE social spending, I could probably afford to support more charities than I currently do.
3. Crime. What the hell did you expect after disarming most of the populace? Pumping up the cost of a substance so that 1000% returns on investment can be realized. Even supposedly "legal" substances like tobacco are now being "black marketed" because of prohibitory taxation.

It took a Constitutional Amendment to prohibit alcohol. There has been no such Amendment for the illegal War on Drugs. No matter how you wish to rationalize it.

Also, about the only "drug" I use is a good single malt scotch or an Irish Ale. Not that that matters to a commie like yourself.

78 posted on 01/20/2004 8:37:08 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dubya
Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee!- Eric Cartman, "Southpark",

"Hippies, they say they care about the environment but all they do is smoke pot and sing crappy songs" - Eric Cartman

Cartman: "I know. Drugs are bad because if you do drugs, you're a hippie. And hippies suck."

Cartman quotes

79 posted on 01/20/2004 8:39:33 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Howeird Dean is completely nuts. I like that in a Democrat Candidate.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Well since all the hundreds of treatment centers for Alcohol really never worked for "Out Of Control Alcoholics", that was a waste of money. (AA was sufficient) The human body is designed to tolerate many things... Of course there are poisons that will kill you in a heart beat but "POT" is not one of them. More people die from Alcohol poisoning than any other chemical. More people today are on Anti-depressants than ever in history.

To say people in some fashion don't flirt with some kind of mind- altering drug is wrong. What is the difference if you go to the local Doc: and get a prescription for Vicodin Xanax, Flexiril, Prozac, for what ails ya, or you smoke POT? for what ails ya? The government says one is "Legal" and one is "illegal"

I am not promoting smoking "POT" but there is quite a bit of hypocrisy with this herb.
80 posted on 01/20/2004 8:42:19 AM PST by missyme
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