Cannabis is blamed as cause of man's death

Telegraph Group Limited ^ | 20/01/2004) | Richard Savill

[augggh]

Sorry, reading WOD threads has the tendency to make me humorless.

[babaloo999]

Yeah, some of the warriors piss me off, too--though I do actually agree with a few of their points. Very few.

[Land of the Free 04]

I pride myself on my keen grasp of the obvious.

[Wolfie]

The guy in the article's been dead 5 months or so. How long does it take them to do an autopsy in the UK?

[Land of the Free 04]

Maybe they were marinating the corpse in hash oil?

[Wolfie]

Probably blame that too. Once you see ol' John Henry's name in article from the UK, you know you'll need the hip-waders. This is the same guy who predicted 30,000 cannabis deaths a year if the gov't decriminalized.

[TKDietz]

"Alcohol is different than marijuana. If legalized, farmers will try to get more TCH content per acre, thereby raising the income. Why buy wimpy dope for the same price as kickass dope?"

Because there is a point of diminishing returns. It is apparently difficult and expensive to grow really powerful marijuana. That stuff is grown hydroponically indoors under expensive lights. Temperature, humidity and CO2 levels are kept at optimal levels. The proper nutrient level and ph and all of that stuff have to be maintained. From what I have read it is very labor intensive and requires a lot of specialized high dollar equipment.

My guess is that there would still be a market for that type of marijuana, but there would also always be a market for average quality marijuana such as the Mexican that most people in America can buy cheaply on the streets today. This stuff is grown in large fields. They grow it from seed instead of from female cuttings, leave the male plants in the field and let the bud get pollinated and go to seed. Then they pay little attention to drying, curing, manicuring and storing. These are quantity over quality operations. I imagine American farmers would take better care of it and grow better quality outdoor pot so they could command a higher price to make up for increased labor costs, but I don't see everyone setting up indoor grows and shooting for the the most powerful stuff they could possibly grow. For one thing, I suspect that there would be some limits on potency imposed by law, and probably graduated taxing schemes that tax the more potent stuff more than the average stuff.

Aside from that there is another important factor to consider and that is that not everyone likes the super powerful stuff. I have read that average potency of sinsemilla in coffeeshops in Amsterdam is about the same as it is here and in other European countries, somewhere between 12 and 15% THC. I also read that the Dutch tend to buy marijuana that is lower than the average strength while visiting foreigners are more likely to be looking for the most powerful stuff.

That makes sense to me because I know that when I was smoking pot I didn't really like expensive super weed either, both because I thought it was a rip off and because I didn't like that it made it so hard to keep from getting "over-stoned." I was always a lightweight when it came to that stuff but I could take two or three or maybe even four puffs of the average stuff and still just have a mild buzz. It seemed like with that other stuff one puff or even a half sized puff too much could mean the difference between a mild, pleasant buzz and several hours of sitting there like a zombie wishing I would just come down. I don't think I am unique at all in that regard. People don't want crappy ditch weed that they'll have to choke down a big fat joint or more of just to feel the mild head change, but on the other hand they don't necessarily want pot that is so strong that it is sort of the relative equivalent of doing shots of pure grain alcohol.

Do you think people would all go to all the trouble to grow stuff indoors if they could just plant a whole bunch outside and let nature take it's course? The main reason people grow indoors is because of security. It's too easy to get caught if it's grown outdoors. Americans can't get away with growing huge fields like they do south of the border. Indoor space comes at a premium price though and indoor growing is expensive and labor intensive so growers make up for that by growing the most powerful stuff they can grow. There would be much less incentive to grow indoors if marijuana was legal and people could grow larger plots outdoors for a much lower initial investment and with much lower labor, equipment and fertilizer costs.

[TKDietz]

Yes, we amused ourselves for hours with the butter/Parkey/resin jokes. Life used to be so simple.

[JudgemAll]

Are you in favor of hard liquor continuing to be legal?

Yes, for antiseptic purposes and when eating tainted meat or as a pain killer.

[TKDietz]

As a painkiller? Shouldn't it have to go through the full approval process and be prescribed like all other drugs. (end sarcasm)

[AxelPaulsenJr]

You need a lobotomy, strike that I think you already had it.

You ever wonder why, and I have seen you in many other threads, have such trouble getting along with other posters on these threads?

Think about it. Turn that mirror on yourself.

[Protagoras]

I guess you don't like your own tactics being used on you.

I don't post here to get along. Clearly you don't either. When you start the namecalling, expect it back. Act like an adult, you will get treated like one, at least by me.

[Protagoras]

To: missyme
From the quality and content of your posts, I would say that you have tried pot. More than once................

128 posted on 01/20/2004 2:20:34 PM CST by AxelPaulsenJr (Excellence In Posting Since 1999)

This post was what moved me to comment on your post.

If that's your idea of "excellence in posting",,,,,,,,

[AxelPaulsenJr]

How about this? And I remind you that you first posted to me on this thread.

You don't post to me, and I won't post to you.

[Kozak]

The pro-drug libs I know are fond of asking the question, "How many people have died from smoking marijuana?" and then answering it themselves "ZERO!"

Riddle me this, how many ALCOHOL related deaths per year?

[AxelPaulsenJr]

This is what prompted that original post of mine, and no it is not my idea of excellence in posting.

To: AxelPaulsenJr HAHAHAHAHAAH.You said you have never smoked POT? are you just one of those sterotypical types that see "POT" as some whacked out hallucinogenic, pass out on the stereo types of drug? People should not comment on "POT" unless they have tried it at least one time.

122 posted on 01/20/2004 12:09:14 PM PST by missyme

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[AxelPaulsenJr]

To: missyme

I'm glad you didn't have it ruin your life, I have seen plenty of lives ruined by it. I have never used any illegal substance,

137 posted on 01/20/2004 12:40:26 PM PST by Protagoras

missyme posted to me that I shouldn't comment on pot unless I have used it myself, at least once.

From your above statement, I would say that you and the lady have issues to discuss.

[Protagoras]

and no it is not my idea of excellence in posting.

I'm glad you recognise that it was not excellent. Far from it.

And your posts are yours, no one can make you post anything, the other poster is not responsible for your posts, you are. Taking responsibility for your own actions is the first step.

[AxelPaulsenJr]

I was referring to her post as not being excellence in posting.

[Protagoras]

I would say that you and the lady have issues to discuss.

We disagree, nothing more. Just like you and I.

The difference is that I haven't called you names. I gave you a dose of your own medicine. You didn't get it. But I had a lobotomy?

Carry on, this is boring.