Think Again: Neocons

FOREIGN POLICY ^ | January/February 04 | Max Boot

[Andy from Beaverton]

When are we going to see a story about how the neocommies hijacked the DumbAsCrap Party?

[Peach]

There goes your neocon theory.

[JohnGalt]

You must have read a different article.

[Peach]

hah. Glib, silly answer for something you can't account for. Not surprising.

[billbears]

Original neoconservatives such as Irving Kristol, who memorably defined neocons as liberals who’d been “mugged by reality,” were (and still are) in favor of welfare benefits, racial equality, and many other liberal tenets. But they were driven rightward by the excesses of the late 1960s and early 1970s,

That's rich. I can't tell you how many conservatives in the 1960s and 1970s were calling for nationalized healthcare, loose borders, and billions spent for diseases not even in this nation of states. Matter of fact I couldn't name any conservatives that were espousing such policies ten years ago

[JohnGalt]

Do you read any actual conservatives who do not work for Benador Associates as Max Boot does?

[Valin]

Troublemarker! :-)

[Peach]

I guess your Benador Associates conspiracy theory goes down the tubes when one considers that they are a speakers bureau and their membership includes but is not limited to:

Alexander M. Haig, Jr. , Lord Lamont of Lerwick , James Woolsey , Richard Perle , Victor Davis Hanson , Amir Taheri , David Pryce-Jones , Kanan Makiya , A.M. Rosenthal , Herbert I. London , Charles Krauthammer , Michael A. Ledeen , Dennis Prager , John O'Sullivan , Frank Gaffney Jr. , Ismail Cem , Ruth Wedgwood , Shaykh Kabbani , Tom Rose , Max Boot , Richard O. Spertzel , Hillel Fradkin , Michael Rubin , Paul Marshall , Khalid Durán , Laurie Mylroie , Rachel Ehrenfeld , Arnaud de Borchgrave , John Eibner , Richard Pipes , Meyrav Wurmser , Mansoor Ijaz , Fereydoun Hoveyda , George Jonas , Michel Gurfinkiel , Walid Phares , Tashbih Sayyed , Charles Jacobs , Stanley H. Kaplan.

[Peach]

Some days it's just fun to listen to a Freeper try to tell us why his conspiracy theory isn't any more silly than those who think the moon landing didn't really happen.

[cake_crumb]

"Most of them were highly skeptical of the interventions in the Balkans that neocons championed."

Lost me there. I'm frequently accused of being a neocon - in highly derogatory fashion. I never supported what Clinton ordered done in the Balkans.

[JohnGalt]

Question: Can you post a list of phony Rightwing Marxists who make a living scaring soccermoms with tales of dirty bombs and cave dwellers?

Answer: see post 9

[cake_crumb]

"On many issues, they are virtually indistinguishable from other conservatives; their main differences are with libertarians, who demonize 'big government' and preach an anything-goes morality."

Understatement, but THAT I agree with. It's those who identify themselves as "libertarians" who most frequently throw around the term "neocon" in reference to Republicans the way lefties now suddenly throw around the term "Nazi"

[cake_crumb]

BUMP!

[RandallFlagg]

When are we going to see a story about how the neocommies hijacked the DumbAsCrap Party?

[Peach]

Man, your list of people involved in "the conspiracy" grows every day.

[JohnGalt]

I did not allege a conspiracy; I alleged that your sources are all paid hacks incompetents and liars who are simply paid to tell their scary stories to get soccer moms to support their agenda.

Their agenda is simply to get rich off the citizenry.

You are the one alleging that the President, the media, and the Congress is engaged in a conspiracy of silence.

[cake_crumb]

"I did not allege a conspiracy; I alleged that your sources are all paid hacks incompetents and liars who are simply paid to tell their scary stories to get soccer moms to support their agenda."

And what if your allegation is wrong? What scary stories?

[Valin]

I alleged that your sources are all paid hacks incompetents and liars who are simply paid to tell their scary stories to get soccer moms to support their agenda.

Could you please inform us which ones
are paid hacks
which are incompetents
And which are "liars who are simply paid to tell their scary stories".

Example Dennis Prager, which actagory would he fall into?


Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
Lord Lamont of Lerwick
James Woolsey
Richard Perle
Victor Davis Hanson
Amir Taheri
David Pryce-Jones
Kanan Makiya
A.M. Rosenthal
Herbert I. London
Charles Krauthammer
Michael A. Ledeen
Dennis Prager
John O'Sullivan
Frank Gaffney Jr.
Ismail Cem
Ruth Wedgwood
Shaykh Kabbani
Tom Rose
Max Boot
Richard O. Spertzel
Hillel Fradkin
Michael Rubin
Paul Marshall
Khalid Durán
Laurie Mylroie
Rachel Ehrenfeld
Arnaud de Borchgrave
John Eibner
Richard Pipes
Meyrav Wurmser
Mansoor Ijaz
Fereydoun Hoveyda
George Jonas
Michel Gurfinkiel
Walid Phares
Tashbih Sayyed
Charles Jacobs
Stanley H. Kaplan

[junta]

A month or two ago this flack would have dropped into name calling over the word "neocon", so this is an interesting development in public relations. Still I want to know what is it exactly that Boot wants to conserve?