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Posted on 01/18/2004 5:53:14 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Female, forty and furious January 19, 2004 - 11:24AM

On the attack ... Sharon Stone, Holly Hunter and Meg Ryan.

Hollywood's most formidable female stars have united to condemn "sexist" film moguls for failing to find roles for women over 40.

Meg Ryan, Holly Hunter, Charlotte Rampling, Sharon Stone and Whoopi Goldberg are among a group of 30 actresses who have taken part in a documentary by Rosanna Arquette to be screened in Britain this summer.

The documentary is seen as a thinly veiled attack on moguls such as Harvey Weinstein - the portly co-owner of Miramax - who control the film industry and the careers of Hollywood actresses.

Arquette, 44, who rose to fame when she starred opposite Madonna in the 1985 film Desperately Seeking Susan, said that her interest in what happened to 40-year-old women in Hollywood was sparked by the experience of

Debra Winger, the star of Terms of Endearment, who announced that she was quitting in 1996 aged 40. "Ageing," Arquette said this week, "equals career death."

In the documentary, called Searching For Debra Winger, Winger, who has been nominated for three Oscars, tells how she decided to quit and reveals that while she was working on An Officer And a Gentlemen the notorious producer Don Simpson told her that she needed diet pills.

Julianna Margulies, 37, who starred in ER opposite George Clooney, speaks frankly about the rigours of the casting couch. "You ask anyone that has been in those [audition] meetings. They say, 'Yeah that actress is great but would you f*** her?' And they ask all the men in the room."

The documentary will provoke heated debate in Hollywood, which has long been accused of discriminating against women for their age and beauty. Arquette told London's Sunday Telegraph that she had already received criticism from film bosses. "There are a lot of misogynistic men who are very angry about it," she said. "They've told me, 'It's just a bunch of chicks sitting around bitching about us'."

In the film, Daryl Hannah, 43, says that the root of the problem lies "with the guys who run the studios. They choose projects that they identify with and they say, 'I'd like to be that man having an affair with a chick of 18'."

Samantha Mathis, 33, agrees. "It's the revenge of the nerds syndrome, all these guys couldn't get a girlfriend in high school. They are smart but they have no social skills; suddenly they are running studios in a position of power."

Arquette's subjects are candid and often angry about the way the industry has spat them out once they have aged. Martha Plimpton, 33, says: "For women it's either, she's a starlet or she's an old hag." Whoopi Goldberg adds that film producers "want you to think that you're done" once actresses had turned 40.

Arquette, who is currently filming another documentary about musicians, continues to act and has recently been filming two comedies with the British actresses Imogen Stubbs and Jennifer Saunders.

She says that certain elements of Hollywood have always annoyed her. "I find it offensive that in Hollywood a 68-year-old movie star is paired with a 30-year-old, or someone even younger. You think, 'Come on, who are you kidding'. It is offensive."

Other interviewees said that they had financial problems when the parts dried up. Theresa Russell, 46, says: "It was really hard, I didn't get an audition for years and I started running out of money. I thought, what else can I do? I resent being in this situation. They want to put you out to pasture."

In any other profession, she says, "your work would get better the older you got". Holly Hunter, 45, who won an Oscar for The Piano, believes actresses are at their peak at 40. "The deal is that actresses who are good have probably never been better once they hit 40. Once I hit 40 I had charms that I didn't have when I was 30 and I want to use them."

Teri Garr, 53, who has appeared in more than 50 films, including Tootsie, insists that films should reflect the existence of older women in real life. "There are people who are my age and older who still exist in the world, so there should be writers who write stories that include them. There should be parts for us, even if they are smaller."

She adds: "I remember when I was young the great actresses telling me, 'Wait till they tell you your face has been ravaged by time'."

Diane Lane, 39, dislikes the vocabulary used to describe older women's looks. "If you want to live you must age. Beauty has to be a certain way [in Hollywood]." If you age, she says, "it is described as 'damaged beauty' or 'sad beauty' or 'aged beauty'." She adds: "Character actresses will always work freely because they are not coming from the immaculate time when one looked perfect." Adrienne Shelley, 38, the star of The Unbelievable Truth, tells of how much sex plays a part of being a Hollywood actress. She says: "I get a call in my car on the way to an audition from the agent. He said, 'What is really important is that they think you are f***able'.

"The man walks in and looks right at my tits and I saw in his face that there was no way I was going to get the part. And yet in the real world there is no way I would give this guy the time of day."

Lane urges women to make more of an issue of the problem. "When women don't want to talk about these issues it is so awful," she says. "Hiding away just perpetuates the problem.

"Women want to watch other women of their own age sometimes. All these young people are great but let them watch each other. We want to watch us."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: actress; aging; castingcouch; hollyweird; hollywood
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To: Senator Pardek
I'm short, pale and ugly. Whom do I sue to get a plum multi-million dollar Hollywood role?

If casting couches only came with bags and ugly sticks you would be a star!

61 posted on 01/18/2004 6:35:22 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Sub-Driver
Are there a lot of movie roles for middle-aged overweight bald guys?
62 posted on 01/18/2004 6:35:39 PM PST by expatguy
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To: Sub-Driver
The people running the studios are not stupid. There are few roles for women over 40 for the same reason there are few (if any) good science fiction movies being made.

There is not enough of an audience to justify the expense of making a movie for them.

I personally would love to see a good science fiction movie -- one that would be technically correct based on physics as we currently understand them -- but it won't happen anytime soon, because without the zippy-do-zowie, eye-candy, flashy-go-boom-in-space special effects, the movies would be too boringly intellectual for the majority of the people buying movie tickets.

The same thing is happening with these ladies. They may technically be better actresses than the younger stars, but if their audience appeal is nil, no one is going to pay to see them act.

It's all dollars and cents. If a market exists, someone will fill it. If it doesn't, whining about it is not going to create it.
63 posted on 01/18/2004 6:36:22 PM PST by Ronin (When the fox gnaws -- Smile!!!)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
Heck with 'em. They don't have a clue as to what makes a great movie.

My favorite movie is Fight Club.

There ain't no role for over-forty bimboes in it.

You couldn't fit one in with a prybar and a sledge hammer.

But it would be fun to try.

64 posted on 01/18/2004 6:36:23 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Eva
I heartily agree! Just read the dating threads/ divorce threads in FR and you'll know what shipwreck the institution of marriage is.
65 posted on 01/18/2004 6:36:36 PM PST by cyborg (feed marmite to the prisoners and they'll never go there again)
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To: Sub-Driver
I have noticed for the most part that the so-called beautiful people get all the movie roles. Well what about average looking people?
66 posted on 01/18/2004 6:37:05 PM PST by expatguy
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To: Sub-Driver
Poor millionaires. When will the world come to its senses and realize that the movie industry owes them high-profile, profitable roles so that they can prolong their fame and wealth? /sarcasm

Seriously, I'll start taking the age-old "no roles for older women" complaint seriously when the people doing the complaining (usually, wealthy, famous, and attractive if "older" women) show some hint of appreciation for the fact that there are, to an even greater extent, very few roles for (say) fat and/or ugly people.

67 posted on 01/18/2004 6:38:29 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Inyo-Mono
Teri was born on Dec. 11th, 1944 or 1945 depending on which source you klook at. If 1945, she would be 58 now.
68 posted on 01/18/2004 6:38:50 PM PST by exit82 (Toll free number for the Capitol switchboard:1-800-648-3516--let your reps in DC know what you think)
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To: AngrySpud
The last "kiss" scene in "as good as it gets" ...I have to admit had me even thinking "Come on! No way... that's just wrong!" I even told my husband that scene must have been a challange for Helen Hunt, you know, to make a kiss to what must have seemed like her grandfather seem well... romantic/sexy.
69 posted on 01/18/2004 6:39:23 PM PST by KineticKitty (We support our troops...as long as what they say or do fits our preconceived notions?)
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To: hunter112
Dame Judi Dench might disagree!

I have a poster of her on the wall across from bed. Wet tee-shirt and all.

70 posted on 01/18/2004 6:39:35 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: exit82
Also, no way is Teri Garr 53.

I believe you are right! She was born December 11, 1945. If my math is right, the young lady is 58.

71 posted on 01/18/2004 6:40:53 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Nobody told me it snows in Seattle!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Wah! WAHH! Have a seat and let me tell you about "ageism" and the computer industry, you bimbos...
72 posted on 01/18/2004 6:41:16 PM PST by pabianice
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To: hunter112
Dame Judi Dench might disagree!

As would Dame Maggie Smith.

73 posted on 01/18/2004 6:42:10 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Nobody told me it snows in Seattle!!!)
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To: pabianice
I'm typing this on 8086.

My Commodore is in the shop. Where can I play some intenet pong?
74 posted on 01/18/2004 6:43:27 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Sub-Driver
Sexism is terrible and all but who wants to go watch a womwn over forty?
75 posted on 01/18/2004 6:43:33 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Katherine Hepburn didn't spend a lot of time whining, either. I guess if you have talent, looks are secondary.
76 posted on 01/18/2004 6:44:47 PM PST by hunter112
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To: ThanhPhero
Sexism is terrible and all but who wants to go watch a womwn over forty?

If their acting skills are excellent and they looked okay, I would not mind.

77 posted on 01/18/2004 6:45:28 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: SandyInSeattle
As would Dame Edna!


78 posted on 01/18/2004 6:45:33 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Sub-Driver
"Women want to watch other women of their own age sometimes. All these young people are great but let them watch each other. We want to watch us."

If it is so important and so financially viable, Ms. Lane could write a good script with characters like her, drum up some investors or borrow twenty or thirty million dollars and produce her own movie.

That's how Stallone, Schwarzennegger, Gibson, et al became megastars.

But I guess girls aren't supposed to do things for themselves.

Feminism goes only so far.

79 posted on 01/18/2004 6:47:14 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Sub-Driver
How to do this without whining


80 posted on 01/18/2004 6:47:33 PM PST by Nick Danger ( With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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