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Female, forty and furious
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Posted on 01/18/2004 5:53:14 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Female, forty and furious January 19, 2004 - 11:24AM

On the attack ... Sharon Stone, Holly Hunter and Meg Ryan.

Hollywood's most formidable female stars have united to condemn "sexist" film moguls for failing to find roles for women over 40.

Meg Ryan, Holly Hunter, Charlotte Rampling, Sharon Stone and Whoopi Goldberg are among a group of 30 actresses who have taken part in a documentary by Rosanna Arquette to be screened in Britain this summer.

The documentary is seen as a thinly veiled attack on moguls such as Harvey Weinstein - the portly co-owner of Miramax - who control the film industry and the careers of Hollywood actresses.

Arquette, 44, who rose to fame when she starred opposite Madonna in the 1985 film Desperately Seeking Susan, said that her interest in what happened to 40-year-old women in Hollywood was sparked by the experience of

Debra Winger, the star of Terms of Endearment, who announced that she was quitting in 1996 aged 40. "Ageing," Arquette said this week, "equals career death."

In the documentary, called Searching For Debra Winger, Winger, who has been nominated for three Oscars, tells how she decided to quit and reveals that while she was working on An Officer And a Gentlemen the notorious producer Don Simpson told her that she needed diet pills.

Julianna Margulies, 37, who starred in ER opposite George Clooney, speaks frankly about the rigours of the casting couch. "You ask anyone that has been in those [audition] meetings. They say, 'Yeah that actress is great but would you f*** her?' And they ask all the men in the room."

The documentary will provoke heated debate in Hollywood, which has long been accused of discriminating against women for their age and beauty. Arquette told London's Sunday Telegraph that she had already received criticism from film bosses. "There are a lot of misogynistic men who are very angry about it," she said. "They've told me, 'It's just a bunch of chicks sitting around bitching about us'."

In the film, Daryl Hannah, 43, says that the root of the problem lies "with the guys who run the studios. They choose projects that they identify with and they say, 'I'd like to be that man having an affair with a chick of 18'."

Samantha Mathis, 33, agrees. "It's the revenge of the nerds syndrome, all these guys couldn't get a girlfriend in high school. They are smart but they have no social skills; suddenly they are running studios in a position of power."

Arquette's subjects are candid and often angry about the way the industry has spat them out once they have aged. Martha Plimpton, 33, says: "For women it's either, she's a starlet or she's an old hag." Whoopi Goldberg adds that film producers "want you to think that you're done" once actresses had turned 40.

Arquette, who is currently filming another documentary about musicians, continues to act and has recently been filming two comedies with the British actresses Imogen Stubbs and Jennifer Saunders.

She says that certain elements of Hollywood have always annoyed her. "I find it offensive that in Hollywood a 68-year-old movie star is paired with a 30-year-old, or someone even younger. You think, 'Come on, who are you kidding'. It is offensive."

Other interviewees said that they had financial problems when the parts dried up. Theresa Russell, 46, says: "It was really hard, I didn't get an audition for years and I started running out of money. I thought, what else can I do? I resent being in this situation. They want to put you out to pasture."

In any other profession, she says, "your work would get better the older you got". Holly Hunter, 45, who won an Oscar for The Piano, believes actresses are at their peak at 40. "The deal is that actresses who are good have probably never been better once they hit 40. Once I hit 40 I had charms that I didn't have when I was 30 and I want to use them."

Teri Garr, 53, who has appeared in more than 50 films, including Tootsie, insists that films should reflect the existence of older women in real life. "There are people who are my age and older who still exist in the world, so there should be writers who write stories that include them. There should be parts for us, even if they are smaller."

She adds: "I remember when I was young the great actresses telling me, 'Wait till they tell you your face has been ravaged by time'."

Diane Lane, 39, dislikes the vocabulary used to describe older women's looks. "If you want to live you must age. Beauty has to be a certain way [in Hollywood]." If you age, she says, "it is described as 'damaged beauty' or 'sad beauty' or 'aged beauty'." She adds: "Character actresses will always work freely because they are not coming from the immaculate time when one looked perfect." Adrienne Shelley, 38, the star of The Unbelievable Truth, tells of how much sex plays a part of being a Hollywood actress. She says: "I get a call in my car on the way to an audition from the agent. He said, 'What is really important is that they think you are f***able'.

"The man walks in and looks right at my tits and I saw in his face that there was no way I was going to get the part. And yet in the real world there is no way I would give this guy the time of day."

Lane urges women to make more of an issue of the problem. "When women don't want to talk about these issues it is so awful," she says. "Hiding away just perpetuates the problem.

"Women want to watch other women of their own age sometimes. All these young people are great but let them watch each other. We want to watch us."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: actress; aging; castingcouch; hollyweird; hollywood
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To: Floratina
Somewhere out there, is a poor soul that was turned down for a date in High School by Rosie.

Talk about double schadenfreude-glee!
261 posted on 01/19/2004 5:01:04 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Paul C. Jesup
In a movie with some substance,plot, character development, etc, non fantastic story- then then age and looks matters insofar as they atre appropriate to the story and the characters. Movies like that are pretty much nonexistent these days. If the movie is basically fluff then there is no excuse for nonbeautiful nonyoung actresses because the picture is the whole value of the movie.
262 posted on 01/19/2004 5:47:35 AM PST by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: Sub-Driver; newgeezer
It's funny how male actors keep making movies from their tough guy state all the way to their old geezer stage yet women are only employed for their skin. What's really funny is a bunch of 40 yearold women that think they are going to change that.
263 posted on 01/19/2004 5:49:41 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: TexasNative2000
Kate Hepburn, Angela Landsbury, Patricia Neal, Faye Dunaway, Jessica Tandy,

Good actresses over 40 tend to attract good roles for women over 40.

264 posted on 01/19/2004 5:50:48 AM PST by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: Sub-Driver
I thought they all turned into political and international commentators?
What's the problem?

Ha ha?

265 posted on 01/19/2004 5:58:34 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Sub-Driver
In any other profession, she says, "your work would get better the older you got".

Sports?

Anyway, they have a legitimate point. But I think it's ironic that they're trying to "impose their views on others." I wonder how many of them are pro-abortion.

266 posted on 01/19/2004 6:03:24 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: HHFi
"Personally, I'm pretty appalled by the shallowness of a lot of these posts, slamming women over 40 as "hags." I thought Freepers had a bit more depth and better taste."

I agree 100%.
267 posted on 01/19/2004 6:03:36 AM PST by proud American in Canada (Take back the First Amendment! Call today! U.S. Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121)
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To: Sub-Driver
Samantha Mathis, 33, agrees. "It's the revenge of the nerds syndrome, all these guys couldn't get a girlfriend in high school. They are smart but they have no social skills; suddenly they are running studios in a position of power."

Interesting. Maybe this also says something about how attractive young women choose their dates in high school - for looks and/or prestige rather than for (nerdy)intelligence.

268 posted on 01/19/2004 6:06:15 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: Godebert
Actually, the Teri Garr Star Trek episode was the second season. And that was Robert Lansing (4D Man, Empire of the Ants), not James Coburn.

What a pathetic geek I am!
269 posted on 01/19/2004 6:10:34 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: Sub-Driver
They made bad career choices.
270 posted on 01/19/2004 6:13:00 AM PST by verity
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To: Sub-Driver
"We want to watch us."

No, you're pissed because you thought your vapid crap actually meant something, and now you're finding out different.

271 posted on 01/19/2004 6:19:14 AM PST by jimt
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To: Sub-Driver
Hollywood's most formidable female stars have united to condemn "sexist" film moguls for failing to find roles for women over 40.

Get a real job and work like everybody else.

These stupid bitches are rich beyond most people's wildest dreams anyway, so why do they feel the need to work?

I suppose it must give them some feeling of importance.

God forbid you just can't accept the inevitable fact that you're getting older, uglier, and nobody wants you anymore.

Get over it...like the rest of us "little people" have to do.

272 posted on 01/19/2004 6:20:10 AM PST by New Horizon
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To: Ditter
I can say it (shadenfrauden) but I don't remember what it means. Dang I hate when that happens!

Taking pleasure in the discomfort of others, I think (but, I could be wrong...).

273 posted on 01/19/2004 6:23:48 AM PST by JimRed (Disinformation is the leftist's and enemy's friend; consider the source before believing.)
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To: ThanhPhero
Yes --- it's just the young bimbo roles that are not available for those women under 40 --- which is too bad for those whose careers depended on getting naked for the camera and playing those bimbo roles. The actresses which could keep their clothes on while younger are the ones who are still acting while older.
274 posted on 01/19/2004 6:27:01 AM PST by FITZ
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To: maggiefluffs
if he wasn't married she'd be all over him "like white on rice."

Or vice versa. But anyway, she's only about 10 years younger than Clinton. Monica Lewinsky is almost 30 years younger and was only 21 when the "relationship" started.

275 posted on 01/19/2004 6:30:35 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Catherine Danueve and Bo Derek are both over 40 and still look great.
276 posted on 01/19/2004 6:42:32 AM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: Paleo Conservative
But these same lefty actresses weren't offended when a 50ish Bill Clinton, "did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky." when she was 21. Rather hypocritical don't you think!

Of course. Obviously some (most, apparently) of these actresses are ditzes who don't see how silly their shifting standards are. All it would take was to substitue a Republican for Clinton and the treatment of Lewinsky (taking advantage, her age, giving her job perks) would be seen for the outrageous conduct it really was. But since it was "their guy" (spit) they looked the other way. Yes, they are stoopid (misspelling on purpose).

277 posted on 01/19/2004 6:42:35 AM PST by cyncooper ("We call evil by its name")
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To: FITZ
Two words of advice for all women:

Sophia Loren
278 posted on 01/19/2004 6:43:10 AM PST by January24th
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To: Sub-Driver
Maybe they can all get gigs as liberal talk-show radio hosts, another unmarketable genre.
279 posted on 01/19/2004 6:44:11 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard Dean - all bike and no path)
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To: Jeff Gordon
Your taste in women sure blows away your taste in drivers. ;)
280 posted on 01/19/2004 6:44:50 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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