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Posted on 01/18/2004 5:53:14 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Female, forty and furious January 19, 2004 - 11:24AM

On the attack ... Sharon Stone, Holly Hunter and Meg Ryan.

Hollywood's most formidable female stars have united to condemn "sexist" film moguls for failing to find roles for women over 40.

Meg Ryan, Holly Hunter, Charlotte Rampling, Sharon Stone and Whoopi Goldberg are among a group of 30 actresses who have taken part in a documentary by Rosanna Arquette to be screened in Britain this summer.

The documentary is seen as a thinly veiled attack on moguls such as Harvey Weinstein - the portly co-owner of Miramax - who control the film industry and the careers of Hollywood actresses.

Arquette, 44, who rose to fame when she starred opposite Madonna in the 1985 film Desperately Seeking Susan, said that her interest in what happened to 40-year-old women in Hollywood was sparked by the experience of

Debra Winger, the star of Terms of Endearment, who announced that she was quitting in 1996 aged 40. "Ageing," Arquette said this week, "equals career death."

In the documentary, called Searching For Debra Winger, Winger, who has been nominated for three Oscars, tells how she decided to quit and reveals that while she was working on An Officer And a Gentlemen the notorious producer Don Simpson told her that she needed diet pills.

Julianna Margulies, 37, who starred in ER opposite George Clooney, speaks frankly about the rigours of the casting couch. "You ask anyone that has been in those [audition] meetings. They say, 'Yeah that actress is great but would you f*** her?' And they ask all the men in the room."

The documentary will provoke heated debate in Hollywood, which has long been accused of discriminating against women for their age and beauty. Arquette told London's Sunday Telegraph that she had already received criticism from film bosses. "There are a lot of misogynistic men who are very angry about it," she said. "They've told me, 'It's just a bunch of chicks sitting around bitching about us'."

In the film, Daryl Hannah, 43, says that the root of the problem lies "with the guys who run the studios. They choose projects that they identify with and they say, 'I'd like to be that man having an affair with a chick of 18'."

Samantha Mathis, 33, agrees. "It's the revenge of the nerds syndrome, all these guys couldn't get a girlfriend in high school. They are smart but they have no social skills; suddenly they are running studios in a position of power."

Arquette's subjects are candid and often angry about the way the industry has spat them out once they have aged. Martha Plimpton, 33, says: "For women it's either, she's a starlet or she's an old hag." Whoopi Goldberg adds that film producers "want you to think that you're done" once actresses had turned 40.

Arquette, who is currently filming another documentary about musicians, continues to act and has recently been filming two comedies with the British actresses Imogen Stubbs and Jennifer Saunders.

She says that certain elements of Hollywood have always annoyed her. "I find it offensive that in Hollywood a 68-year-old movie star is paired with a 30-year-old, or someone even younger. You think, 'Come on, who are you kidding'. It is offensive."

Other interviewees said that they had financial problems when the parts dried up. Theresa Russell, 46, says: "It was really hard, I didn't get an audition for years and I started running out of money. I thought, what else can I do? I resent being in this situation. They want to put you out to pasture."

In any other profession, she says, "your work would get better the older you got". Holly Hunter, 45, who won an Oscar for The Piano, believes actresses are at their peak at 40. "The deal is that actresses who are good have probably never been better once they hit 40. Once I hit 40 I had charms that I didn't have when I was 30 and I want to use them."

Teri Garr, 53, who has appeared in more than 50 films, including Tootsie, insists that films should reflect the existence of older women in real life. "There are people who are my age and older who still exist in the world, so there should be writers who write stories that include them. There should be parts for us, even if they are smaller."

She adds: "I remember when I was young the great actresses telling me, 'Wait till they tell you your face has been ravaged by time'."

Diane Lane, 39, dislikes the vocabulary used to describe older women's looks. "If you want to live you must age. Beauty has to be a certain way [in Hollywood]." If you age, she says, "it is described as 'damaged beauty' or 'sad beauty' or 'aged beauty'." She adds: "Character actresses will always work freely because they are not coming from the immaculate time when one looked perfect." Adrienne Shelley, 38, the star of The Unbelievable Truth, tells of how much sex plays a part of being a Hollywood actress. She says: "I get a call in my car on the way to an audition from the agent. He said, 'What is really important is that they think you are f***able'.

"The man walks in and looks right at my tits and I saw in his face that there was no way I was going to get the part. And yet in the real world there is no way I would give this guy the time of day."

Lane urges women to make more of an issue of the problem. "When women don't want to talk about these issues it is so awful," she says. "Hiding away just perpetuates the problem.

"Women want to watch other women of their own age sometimes. All these young people are great but let them watch each other. We want to watch us."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: actress; aging; castingcouch; hollyweird; hollywood
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To: San Jacinto
What's the matter Sharon? Nobody wants to see you nekid now?

Sharon Stone was one HOT MAMMA in Total Recall.

201 posted on 01/18/2004 8:38:07 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: All
Almost two hundred posts and not one person has noted that---

#1 THE YOUNG ACTRESSES ARE CHEAPER !!! THEY WON'T COMMAND THE SALARIES THAT ESTABLISHED BIG NAME HOLLYWEIRD BIMBOS MIGHT DEMAND.

#2 How many decisions on who to cast in various films and TV shows are made by homosexual executives? Why are most actresses built like junior high age boys, hmmm?

202 posted on 01/18/2004 8:40:34 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: Lancey Howard
"The man walks in and looks right at my tits and I saw in his face that there was no way I was going to get the part. And yet in the real world there is no way I would give this guy the time of day."

100% purebred hate. She rails about being used as a sex object and then in the very next breath shows herself to be at least as shallow as the agent she's railing against, if not more so.

That any of these subhuman scum were allowed to have movie careers for so much as a single day makes me question the existence of God.

203 posted on 01/18/2004 8:41:30 PM PST by Timesink (Two fonts walk into a bar. The bartender says, "We don't serve your type here.")
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To: WFTR
In acting, one way to draw an audience to the theatre is to feature attractive young women in a film..........If an actress no longer has the looks to draw an audience, another actress should be cast in her place.

Yes, that's one way. The other is for the audience to be thinking ABOVE the waist. Obviously, that concept is lost on you.

204 posted on 01/18/2004 8:42:00 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: Don W
Eeeeeewwwww..........you call her a babe?????I think she stretched herself too tight for Antonio. I think her Mom Tippi is much prettier


206 posted on 01/18/2004 8:44:12 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda
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To: Lucky2
Hollyweird is about looks only, these have all lost theirs and Whoopie never had any to begin with!

And yet Whoopi's got so much steady work she can hardly even keep up with all the offers! To see her quoted in this article at all is laughable.

207 posted on 01/18/2004 8:44:33 PM PST by Timesink (Two fonts walk into a bar. The bartender says, "We don't serve your type here.")
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To: beckett
Allen brings a comic talent, and an able writing talent, to the table

He also brings a modicum of borderline incest to said table.

208 posted on 01/18/2004 8:45:37 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Ladies, ummmmmmmm.... it's a BUSINESS.
209 posted on 01/18/2004 8:49:03 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Baynative
It just might be that in the rule of nature when they were young and attractive and ready to flop on the couch for a role the producers and directors put up with their egos, their crap and their bitching.

If they DO "flop on the couch" to get a role, what does that say about they men the "flop" for? Seems they are not beyond reproach as well, right?

210 posted on 01/18/2004 8:49:17 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: Stewart_B
Jodie Foster is over 40 and so are Michelle Phiffer and Sissy Spacick. Good actresses find work.

How old is Merle Streep? I would think she could have good roles. Cher did well enough after 40 --- and is Demi Moore still with the young guy? I'm sure her career isn't hurting.

211 posted on 01/18/2004 8:51:21 PM PST by FITZ
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To: LisaMalia
He also brings a modicum of borderline incest to said table.

Huh? What does that have to do with the topic at hand? You brought the guy's name up, not me. All I did was explain why he has had whatever success he's had in the industry. Allen career is destroyed, and rightly so, because of the scandal, but his triumphs (e.g., Annie Hall, Crimes and Misdemeanors, Hannah and Her Sisters) still testify to both his comic and writing talent.

212 posted on 01/18/2004 8:53:19 PM PST by beckett
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To: Sub-Driver
"The man walks in and looks right at my tits and I saw in his face that there was no way I was going to get the part. And yet in the real world there is no way I would give this guy the time of day."

She admits that it goes both ways...

Mark

213 posted on 01/18/2004 8:53:28 PM PST by MarkL
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To: Sub-Driver
It's the revenge of the nerds syndrome, all these guys couldn't get a girlfriend in high school. They are smart but they have no social skills; suddenly they are running studios in a position of power.

Paybacks are a bitch. Justice is served.

We're here
We're Nerds
Get used to us
You work for us

214 posted on 01/18/2004 8:55:25 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: beckett
I was just answering your post.
Allen's career is not destroyed, it's alive and well.
215 posted on 01/18/2004 8:58:07 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: Rockpile
How many decisions on who to cast in various films and TV shows are made by homosexual executives? Why are most actresses built like junior high age boys, hmmm?

Ain't that the truth. Most of them have no hips -- out them in a pair of tight jeans and they look like boys from the back.... Blech! Straight men prefer earth-goddesses with breeder hips, not she-males.

216 posted on 01/18/2004 9:02:44 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: Rytwyng
Most of them have no hips -- out them in a pair That should have been PUT them.....
217 posted on 01/18/2004 9:03:16 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: JusPasenThru
I'm with you on Diane Keaton. I thought she was hotter than her daughter in that picture. Personally, I'm pretty appalled by the shallowness of a lot of these posts, slamming women over 40 as "hags." I thought Freepers had a bit more depth and better taste.

I'm 46 myself, and I don't drool over Twinkies like Britney Spears. Sex appeal is more than looks, and most women don't even begin to get interesting to me until they're at least 30 and have become more worldly, experienced and womanly. Come on, do you seriously think Bo Derek was sexier when she was a young, blank-faced mannequin than she is now? When I see Hugh Hefner (perfectly described by a recent Lucianne.com poster as "Dorian Gray without the picture") with his harem of identical 20-year-old Barbie dolls, I feel about as sick as I would seeing a 40-year-old man hitting on a 7-year-old girl. Bleah!

218 posted on 01/18/2004 9:04:58 PM PST by HHFi
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To: LisaMalia
Allen's career is not destroyed, it's alive and well.

When you fall from the heights of respect and near worship Allen enjoyed before the scandal to the disregard he gets lately, and when you go from Crimes and Misdeanors to whatever the latest dreck he directed was, you have a destroyed career.

Allen will never again wield the clout he once had. It is no longer a coveted cachet among so-called serious actors to appear in his films. His career is destroyed.

219 posted on 01/18/2004 9:05:55 PM PST by beckett
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To: HHFi
Personally, I'm pretty appalled by the shallowness of a lot of these posts, slamming women over 40 as "hags." I thought Freepers had a bit more depth and better taste.

I think it's only a certain shallow type of Hollywood bimbo being slammed as hags --- because inside that's all they ever were. Stars like Joan Crawford, Bette Davis, Kathryn Hepburn, Merle Streep, Sophia Loren and others don't suffer the same fate because there was a little more to them than sex appeal and silicone. The women being discussed used their bodies --- readily removed their clothes for their acting roles --- now they can't figure out what's wrong. Sex appeal was all they ever had and much of that was fake.

220 posted on 01/18/2004 9:11:07 PM PST by FITZ
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