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To: Southack
I Agree with your analysis.
It is like lower taxes. The lower the tax the more the government actually collects. Why? It is easier to conform to the lower tax than to hire lawyers & try to cheat. Said another way, If it is rather easy to document guest workers, then they will conform. If they do not conform to our laws, then they will be required to leave. If they do not conform to our laws while they are here, then they have no possible way to return to the US. US employers will have to comply with the guest worker program too and hire only legal documented guest workers or face VERY heavy fines. The program may not be perfect but it is better than the status quo.
16 posted on 01/17/2004 7:18:56 PM PST by encm(ss)
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To: encm(ss)
[If they do not conform to our laws, then they will be required to leave]

yea, I have heard that before (86). Start enforcing the laws right freaking now and then maybe I might believe it.

26 posted on 01/17/2004 7:37:57 PM PST by jpsb (")
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To: encm(ss); Marine Inspector
"US employers will have to comply with the guest worker program too and hire only legal documented guest workers or face VERY heavy fines. The program may not be perfect but it is better than the status quo."

How do we know what's proposed is so much better than the "status quo" when we can't get the current code enforced? The "status quo" already has a provision of severe penalties for violators and is quite detailed in spelling them out; the sorry lawmakers, mangey trial lawyers, and leftist liberal judges say we can't enforce them.

Instead of spending $40 billion a year on Illegaliens who shouldn't be here in the first place, let's try allocating $20 billion in one year so USCIS can reinforce and enforce the laws we have. Let's heavily fine trial lawyers and anyone else who obstructs USCIS from doing their job, under penalties of RICO. Bush's plan does nothing to strengthen our Immigration code - only to weaken it.

Personnally, when the USCS hears the case(s) over indefinitely held detainees, I hope they force Bush's Admin to either enforce the entire code or nullify it completely, which would be essentially forcing the release of those detained after 9/11. Maybe then Bush will see that our Immigration code is law for a reason, and that we need it reinforced and enforced - all of it.

Let's give our Border Patrol and Marshals as much support as we give our Armed Services personnel, our most critical battleline is here at home.

30 posted on 01/17/2004 7:51:52 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: encm(ss); azhenfud
US employers will have to comply with the guest worker program too and hire only legal documented guest workers or face VERY heavy fines.

LOL, you don't really believe that do you?

How is anyone going to know if an employer hires and illegal alien and who's going to levy fines on the employer?

Marine Inspector

42 posted on 01/17/2004 8:27:33 PM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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To: encm(ss)
About 20% of FReepers, if the survey hasn't been messed with, agree with the President. That doesn't make us freaks or not conservative. It just means that 80%, as usual, are not paying attention, nor do they comprehend the probably consequence of their tergiversation--a Dem in the White House for FOUR LONG YEARS.

And not just a Dem but a stupid, unqualified Dem. (Lieberman is the best they have, and they don't appreciate him.)
53 posted on 01/17/2004 8:45:21 PM PST by Triple Word Score (2004: Even M&Ms are now BLACK AND WHITE.)
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