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Bush Offers Migrant Plan Conservatives Can Support
Arizona Republic ^ | January 18, 2004 | Jeff Flake

Posted on 01/17/2004 6:54:51 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest

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To: All
Whatta Flake.
21 posted on 01/17/2004 7:29:49 PM PST by XXXXX88XXXXX
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"Dean will be the democrat candidate, I've little doubt."
I knew you were a Learned Political Junkie!
22 posted on 01/17/2004 7:32:58 PM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Conservative whats?....conservative 3rd way Rifkinites perhaps
23 posted on 01/17/2004 7:36:43 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Southack
Do you really believe these folks (criminals) would actually go back to mexico after 3 years? Let alone stay in the same residence/job for these 3 years?
24 posted on 01/17/2004 7:37:09 PM PST by jungleboy
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To: chachacha
Thus speaks someone who didn't actually read and/or understand the speech our President made.
25 posted on 01/17/2004 7:37:44 PM PST by Triple Word Score (2004: Even M&Ms are now BLACK AND WHITE.)
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To: encm(ss)
[If they do not conform to our laws, then they will be required to leave]

yea, I have heard that before (86). Start enforcing the laws right freaking now and then maybe I might believe it.

26 posted on 01/17/2004 7:37:57 PM PST by jpsb (")
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To: Pubbie
"Tancredo said he has enough votes to block it in the House."

Of course Tancredo wants to stop Bush's proposal dead on its tracks, he'd be out of a job if the immigration issue was ever brought under control.

Right now, Tantrum Tom earns a fat living feeding the unswerving political suicide wishes of the reality challenged, who continually support his proposals without paying the most minuscule bit of attention to the fact that no single piece of immigration legislation he's ever proposed, has achieved anything beyond getting him re elected...even after he swore he would not seek that re-election.

Tantrum Tom is one of my two favorite fiction authors, the other one being Stephen King, and at least he's not trying to pass his stuff off as serious literature.

27 posted on 01/17/2004 7:39:42 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Triple Word Score
[There's no use talking sense to some of these people. ]

Like your 3 weeks at Free Repubic makes you an expect on "these people". What gall.

28 posted on 01/17/2004 7:41:51 PM PST by jpsb (")
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Right now, Tantrum Tom earns a fat living feeding the unswerving political suicide wishes of the reality challenged,"

Actually it's political suicide (Long Term) for the Republicans to treat the Immigration issue the way Rove wants.
29 posted on 01/17/2004 7:47:03 PM PST by Pubbie (* Bill Owens 2008 *)
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To: encm(ss); Marine Inspector
"US employers will have to comply with the guest worker program too and hire only legal documented guest workers or face VERY heavy fines. The program may not be perfect but it is better than the status quo."

How do we know what's proposed is so much better than the "status quo" when we can't get the current code enforced? The "status quo" already has a provision of severe penalties for violators and is quite detailed in spelling them out; the sorry lawmakers, mangey trial lawyers, and leftist liberal judges say we can't enforce them.

Instead of spending $40 billion a year on Illegaliens who shouldn't be here in the first place, let's try allocating $20 billion in one year so USCIS can reinforce and enforce the laws we have. Let's heavily fine trial lawyers and anyone else who obstructs USCIS from doing their job, under penalties of RICO. Bush's plan does nothing to strengthen our Immigration code - only to weaken it.

Personnally, when the USCS hears the case(s) over indefinitely held detainees, I hope they force Bush's Admin to either enforce the entire code or nullify it completely, which would be essentially forcing the release of those detained after 9/11. Maybe then Bush will see that our Immigration code is law for a reason, and that we need it reinforced and enforced - all of it.

Let's give our Border Patrol and Marshals as much support as we give our Armed Services personnel, our most critical battleline is here at home.

30 posted on 01/17/2004 7:51:52 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Triple Word Score
There's no use talking sense to some of these people. They'd rather keep the current disaster than support the first President who has ever sought to solve it.

How about we enforce the laws already on the books? Just once I'd like to see it tried.

31 posted on 01/17/2004 7:57:47 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Just once I'd like to see it tried.

The Fed IS enforcing the laws but the problem overwhelms the resources. If the states do not line up in support of enforcing the laws then it can't be done. You have no idea how much a lot of states economic health is tied up in this issue.

32 posted on 01/17/2004 8:00:53 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"offers foreign workers more opportunity for work than their home countries do"

Simple suggestion: why not prosecute the employers?

33 posted on 01/17/2004 8:00:59 PM PST by truthandjustice1
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I see Mr. Flake really has his finger on the pulse of the conservative voter. Knows 'em like the back of his own hand.
34 posted on 01/17/2004 8:03:09 PM PST by WayneM (Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan). Call your elected officials and say "NO!!")
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To: Southack
Thus, they deport themselves finally

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!! That's a good one.
35 posted on 01/17/2004 8:08:27 PM PST by kenth (This is not a tagline. You're hallucinating.)
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To: Southack
"Then Bush's new immigration makes them all go home after 3 years in order to apply for more time here."

This is complete fiction. The federal tax was supposed to be temporary too!

The Gore Tax was supposed to be temporary.

How many bridges have we paid for and are still being asked to pay a toll just to cross over it?

Nope, this is just pure Bush touchy feely propaganda. Why would anyone who has tasted freedom and opportunity in America want to go back home to poverty and corruption? Why are so many trying to come in all the time?

And, if they don't have the political will to enforce our immigration laws as they are why should we believe the government authorities will enforce this 3 year limit?

Makes me think laws are for suckers and law-abiding hard working citizens are the suckers.

36 posted on 01/17/2004 8:10:22 PM PST by harpo11 (We'd Be Lucky to Have Our Citizenship Survive a Rampaging Herd of Politicians Seeking Election)
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To: Texasforever
You have no idea how much a lot of states economic health is tied up in this issue.

Well I can't speak for other states. I know in my part of the world there are few illegals and we get along fine. And we have large tourist attractions that need service industry type labor. Granted there's a lot of legal immigrants around, but it's still overwhelmingly the native population here.

Immigration definitely needs reforming, I just don't think this is the answer.

37 posted on 01/17/2004 8:10:32 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: truthandjustice1
Simple suggestion: why not prosecute the employers?

That's the best solution I can think of. Put a few employers in jail and see how fast they stop hiring illegals.

38 posted on 01/17/2004 8:13:02 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
How about putting them into bankruptcy? I'd as soon rather see that as them give America's sovereignty away.
39 posted on 01/17/2004 8:20:01 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: JustPiper; chicagolady
A perspective to consider.
40 posted on 01/17/2004 8:21:28 PM PST by FairOpinion
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