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Huh. 20 million illegal immigrants. Let's see. First, there's the crime of violating the territorial laws of a sovereign nation. So every single one is a criminal...

He said 'But don't worry, 20 million more won't affect the crime rate.' Which is obviously a sarcastic statement - since by definition an illegal immigrant breaks the law.

But I do have a question for you, since you seem to view illegal immigrants as being 'humans yearning for a better way of life.' What of the millions waiting to come to this country to not only live here and make money, but because their dream is to be a citizen and to live the American dream?

Should they continue to be kept out because others decide that following the rules is not for them? What about the millions who didn't bother to apply for Reagan's amnesty? What about the repeated reports, over and over again, of illegals who don't want to stop being Mexicans?

Yeah, there's a hell of a lot of hard working people who broke the law to come to this country with every intention of someday being offered the chance to earn their citizenship. But for every one of them, there's at least three who want to come here the legal way, who don't want to start the American dream by being a criminal, but instead want to start out right.

I suggest that you dismount from your high horse, drop the personal insults, and actually participate in the discussion rather than inputing your own biases into the mouthes of others. There are enough sides in this debate, many of which are impassioned, that increasing the complexity by taking things personally degrades the topic to the point of kindergarten shouting matches, and kids don't make laws or policy, nor are they allowed to vote.

But I do have a question for you, since you seem to view illegal immigrants as being 'humans yearning for a better way of life.' What of the millions waiting to come to this country to not only live here and make money, but because their dream is to be a citizen and to live the American dream?

Let them come. There is plenty of space and lots of jobs that need to be filled. Obviously our current immigration quotas are not sufficient to meet the demand for workers in the USA.

I suggest that you dismount from your high horse, drop the personal insults, and actually participate in the discussion rather than inputing your own biases into the mouthes of others.

I call 'em as I see 'em. I could post crime story after anecdotal crime story about black or white criminals with a comment in the title like (Black Crime News Again) and people would rightly call me a bigot.

The fact is crime is going down in this country and things are getting better. The massive influx of illegal immigration after the Reagan Amnesty did not hurt this country. If you recall inflation, unemployment, and interest rates were double digit high during the 70s. In the 80s and 90s we had tremendous growth with only a slight recession in 91-92. Today were are recovering from another very mild recession that has lingered because of the 9-11 attack. I don't consider illegal immigration from Mexico anymore a threat than the unregulated immigration from Poland, German, China, Italy, etcetera etcetera since the forming of this country even though, with every wave, there have been people who have cried "Doom!"

There are enough sides in this debate, many of which are impassioned, that increasing the complexity by taking things personally degrades the topic to the point of kindergarten shouting matches, and kids don't make laws or policy, nor are they allowed to vote.

Yeah? Well, he started it. :)