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To: kingu
But I do have a question for you, since you seem to view illegal immigrants as being 'humans yearning for a better way of life.' What of the millions waiting to come to this country to not only live here and make money, but because their dream is to be a citizen and to live the American dream?

Let them come. There is plenty of space and lots of jobs that need to be filled. Obviously our current immigration quotas are not sufficient to meet the demand for workers in the USA.

I suggest that you dismount from your high horse, drop the personal insults, and actually participate in the discussion rather than inputing your own biases into the mouthes of others.

I call 'em as I see 'em. I could post crime story after anecdotal crime story about black or white criminals with a comment in the title like (Black Crime News Again) and people would rightly call me a bigot.

The fact is crime is going down in this country and things are getting better. The massive influx of illegal immigration after the Reagan Amnesty did not hurt this country. If you recall inflation, unemployment, and interest rates were double digit high during the 70s. In the 80s and 90s we had tremendous growth with only a slight recession in 91-92. Today were are recovering from another very mild recession that has lingered because of the 9-11 attack. I don't consider illegal immigration from Mexico anymore a threat than the unregulated immigration from Poland, German, China, Italy, etcetera etcetera since the forming of this country even though, with every wave, there have been people who have cried "Doom!"

There are enough sides in this debate, many of which are impassioned, that increasing the complexity by taking things personally degrades the topic to the point of kindergarten shouting matches, and kids don't make laws or policy, nor are they allowed to vote.

Yeah? Well, he started it. :)

35 posted on 01/19/2004 12:03:03 AM PST by Once-Ler (Proud Republican and Bushbot)
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To: Once-Ler
Let them come. There is plenty of space and lots of jobs that need to be filled. Obviously our current immigration quotas are not sufficient to meet the demand for workers in the USA.

Let them come? Wouldn't that be a decision of the sovereign government rather than just random people? Or does the rule of law only apply sometimes? Does this mean that when I break into your house and steal your stuff, I can turn around and just say you had too much stuff to begin with and you weren't using it enough anyway?

If the rule of law applies to some, it should apply to all. I'm all for increasing legal immigration - bring them on, I say. Sure, communities change (some become Asian, for example) and there are some difficulties in transition, but legal immigrants are here to build a life, not collect money to send home as they cheat the system.

I could post crime story after anecdotal crime story about black or white criminals with a comment in the title like (Black Crime News Again) and people would rightly call me a bigot.

Sure, I agree with you - if the heading had said 'Hispanic Crime News Again' - but instead, it said 'illegal alien'. Can you be a bigot against a generic 'criminal' class? It could have been about a Polish illegal, or a Brazilian illegal - yet you claim this is bigotry? This is not about the person's race or political affiliation, etc - it is about criminals who continue to break the laws because the first crime was never prosecuted.

Breaking out the bigot word dilutes the discussion, it sidesteps the issue from one of rule of law to one of rule of political correctness.

Beyond, I take issue with your follow on statement - I don't consider illegal immigration from Mexico anymore a threat than the unregulated immigration from Poland, German, China, Italy, etc[...] Immigration is regulated, no matter which country it comes from. There is no such thing as unregulated immigration, only illegal immigration. A group of people who sneak across a border, or overstay a visa, or simply drive up to the border and say they are tourists and never leave can't simply say that the regulations do not apply to them. They do, and by using a phrase like 'unregulated immigration' or 'undocumented immigrants' you're creating smokescreens for the crime.
37 posted on 01/19/2004 12:23:59 AM PST by kingu (Remember: Politicians and members of the press are going to read what you write today.)
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