Bush amnesty irks Tancredo: Lawmaker wants illegals prohibited from state services

Rocky Mountain News ^ | January 17, 2004 | Peggy Lowe And John Sanko

[HennepinPrisoner]

Bump...don't know how to ping immigrant list.

[chatham]

Tancredo is the Hero of the Day.
Bush is treating the Illegal Aliens like criminal lawyers treat all criminals, by agreeing to a plea deal, "sign up as a worker and we wil give you citizenship not prison".

[FITZ]

The president's proposals are vague ---- probably intentionally --- he didn't mention who would pay for the health care and educational services for the guest worker and all the family members they would be bringing over. What happens if the guest worker has 8 or 9 kids to bring and a couple elderly ailing parents and only earns $5.15 an hour? Who will feed the family? Obviously the guest worker making $5.15 an hour cannot provide for a family here in the USA with our very high costs of living. Tuition alone for 8 or 9 kids would be something like $80,000 for the taxpayers every year until any went to college and it would go up a lot more.

[Steve Eisenberg]

The 'Hippocratic Oath' would be violated if any hospital turned away someone...anyone.... because they don't have the ability to pay.

In 1931, Winston Churchill was run over on Fifth Avenue and almost died because of being turned down by a hospital due to his being too injured to explain how he would pay. We live in kinder gentler times, but not because of the Hippocratic Oath, which requires docs to donate to their med school while saying nothing about donating health care. See: Hippocratic Oath -- Classical Version.

That being said, I do agree that travel insurance should be mandatory and proof presented by all visitors at the port of entry.

Sounds good, although swiping a credit card at the border showing at least, say, $5000 of available credit might be an alternative for the wealthy. And I wouldn't even mind some kind of intergovernmental agreement with countries such as the UK which already today have an official policy of providing free hospital care to legitimate foreign tourists in case of life-threatening emergencies. Of course, this is all dreaming given that we don't even keep track of whether they left on tme so we would know that their insurance expired.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

The mindless bots hate Tancredo because he defies the will of Jorge.

[Dante3]

Illegals should not be allowed into any schools -- they should not even be in this country, much less gets perks not available to legal immigrants and US citizens who are forced to pay for them.

[Pearls Before Swine]

All companies that hire ILLEGAL aliens are fined 10 Million dollars.

That's impractically high, and would only be paid by a Wal-Mart. How about "All companies that KNOWINGLY hire illegal aliens are fined (one, two, you pick) years of each illegal employee's wages?

[WayneM]

Your observation is right on the mark. The most common straw is the old "there's nothing we can do about it now" excuse.

[BlakeAshby2008]

"That's impractically high, and would only be paid by a Wal-Mart."

Agreed, and to Wal-mart, 10 mil is nothing. Instead, threaten to seize the assets of the entire corporation, and just watch how diligent they become. Everybody from the CEO to the part-time janitor will be on the look-out for illegals because they'll be out of a job if they don't.

This problem begins and ends with U.S. employers, period. Hell, I don't blame the Mexicans - if my family was starving and my only option was to break some other country's immigration laws, it's California or bust. But if there were no point in going there because there was no chance of employment, I'd sneak into France or Germany instead.

[johnb838]

I heard they don't even take the Hippocratic oath anymore. If they did they wouldn't be able to perform abortions or euthanize inconvenient and elderly patients.

[gubamyster]

ping

[JustPiper]

From CNN


House Democrats criticize security efforts
01/16/04

A group of House Democrats blasted the Bush administration's homeland security efforts Friday, saying that almost two-and-a-half years after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, security gaps leave the United States vulnerable to terrorists.

[savedbygrace]

"It will be absolutely divisive," Sandoval said. "This guy (Tancredo) is off the wall. He was one of the 'House crazies' when he served in the legislature. It's starting to show up again."

Yeah, and Sandoval's statement ISN'T devisive?

[Brian Allen]

<< The 'Hippocratic Oath' would be violated if any hospital turned away someone...anyone.... because they don't have the ability to pay. Doctors/hospitals worldwide are held to this creedo. >>

What absolute rubbish.

Every year, all over the world, including in Mexico and in every other central and south American Hell hole, millions of people who cannot pay up front and/or establish gold-plated insurance bona fides -- even those needing immediate trauma care -- are turned away from hospitals -- and as often as not die within a hospital's precinct.

Recently a man who was attacked by criminals and shot several times died, after having been refused emergency room treatment, outside a hospital within fifty miles of where I am sitting [In Asia] because the people who brought him in were unable to pay or even to establish his identity or nationality. [He was unconscious] And scores of motor accident victims die every day in this country for the same reason.

[Steve Eisenberg]

I heard they don't even take the Hippocratic oath anymore. If they did they wouldn't be able to perform abortions or euthanize inconvenient and elderly patients.

Yep. I should have mentioned this. The wording is:

"I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy."

Some med schools administer what they call the modern Hippocratic oath, but there really is no such thing. Instead there are dozens of different if-it-feels-right-do-it replacement oaths.

[Missouri]

Ping and bump.

[janetgreen]

"This guy (Tancredo) is off the wall. He was one of the 'House crazies' when he served in the legislature. It's starting to show up again."

Mr. Sandoval considers anyone who doesn't want to support illegal aliens crazy? Sorry, Sandoval, it's just the opposite.

[Missouri]

"That is just a cruel, mean-spirited amendment," said Polly Baca, CEO of LARASA, the Latin American Research & Service Agency. "I am shocked that he would do something like that."

The "Race" needs to learn that there are people out there that will stand up for the "Rule of Law". An idea that is foreign to them.

[moehoward]

Tancredo!

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[Cultural Jihad]

The outspoken anti-immigration advocate wants to block illegal immigrants from nonemergency services such as in-state college tuition and health care, according to a plan filed this week with the Colorado Secretary of State.

That is fine as far as it goes. Few would deny anyone any needed emergency medical care. But if the undocumented immigrants suddenly become legalized through some sort of program or law, then we'll see if the Rulez Uber Alles crowd continues to tout the rule of law or not.