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Victor Davis Hanson: Our Primordial World, Pride and Envy are what make this war go 'round
NRO ^ | January 16, 2004 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 01/16/2004 5:48:37 AM PST by Tolik

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1 posted on 01/16/2004 5:48:39 AM PST by Tolik
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To: seamole; xkaydet65; Fury; .cnI redruM; xsysmgr; yonif; SJackson; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...
Victor Davis Hanson moral clarity huge BUMP  [please freepmail me if you want or don't want to be pinged to Victor Davis Hanson articles]

If you want to bookmark his articles discussed at FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-victordavishanson/browse

His NRO archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp


2 posted on 01/16/2004 5:50:35 AM PST by Tolik
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Brilliant, practically defies excerption. Some best quotes:

...  Americans [...] have attempted to apply reason to a world that does not always care much for logic.

Following September 11, our therapeutic industry — the campuses, the media, the intelligentsia, and many on the political Left — almost immediately sprung into action to insist that such hideous terrorist acts were symptomatic of wide-scale poverty and oppression in the Middle East, much of it caused by the United States.

True, Islamic fascism scavenges on the self-induced misery of hereditary autocracy so endemic in the Arab world; but the hijacking murderers of September 11 were themselves hardly poor or illiterate. And their mastermind bin Laden talked of pride, envy, and power — seldom poverty or inequality. This was a creature, after all, who belonged to a world of the "strong horse," "honor" killings, throwing shoes, and fist-shaking, more at home in the tenth than 21st century.

Where Americans see skill and subtlety in taking out Saddam Hussein and a costly effort to liberate a people, many Iraqis, even as they taste freedom, drive new cars, and see things improve, talk instead of humiliation, hurt pride, or anger at their own impotence ....

Israel suffers from the same dilemma of dealing with others' hurt pride as we do. It created a relatively humane society throughout the West Bank from 1967-1993 — and raised the standard of living, and promoted individual freedom for Palestinians in way impossible elsewhere in the Arab world. But all that won no gratitude; instead, it stoked the fury arising from Arabs' sense of weakness and self-contempt. In the world of the Palestinian lobster bucket, Israel's great sin is not bellicosity or aggression, but succeeding beyond the wildest dreams of its neighbors. How humiliating it must be to be incapable of even muttering the word "Israel" (hence the need for "Zionist entity"), but nevertheless preferring an Israeli to a Palestinian ID card.


3 posted on 01/16/2004 5:57:35 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik
He's the best. I find myself e-mailing his columns to people all over the world.
4 posted on 01/16/2004 6:03:11 AM PST by Renfield
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To: Tolik
Another great column from VDH, but he needs an editor who's paying attention. Lobster pot? I think more would immediately grasp the metaphor with "crab pot". There are few of either in inland CA, I presume (VDH's home).

And at the end, we have:

"The latter (who turned Sherman and Grant lose) would maintain that we are a forgiving sort, who prefer restored rather than beaten people as our friends."

This is that rare exception where "lose" should have been "loose", as opposed to the converse. Again, need for an editor.
5 posted on 01/16/2004 6:08:42 AM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: Renfield
Same here. I find it next to impossible to highlight the best parts (as it is my old habit) because all parts are the best.
6 posted on 01/16/2004 6:11:28 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik
The realization that we have not yet evolved past these baser impulses is critical in this war, since victory entails not merely the military defeat of our often tribal adversaries, but a careful combination of humiliating enemies while allowing credit to go to envious allies and the once defeated.

Humiliation. The sight of the dissheveled Saddam perhaps? The humiliation factor could not have been achieved without the toppling of the region's biggest bully, IMHO.

In his books, VDH often points out that capitulation of allied enemies often takes the form of realignment of power. What we are witnessing in Lybia, Syria, Iran, etc. is just that, and it always FOLLOWS the humiliation.

7 posted on 01/16/2004 6:16:28 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: Tolik
I assume you've seen this work?
8 posted on 01/16/2004 6:20:52 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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More quotes:

Reasonable people might suggest that Europeans and Russians would welcome these events, as no sane person could be fond of today's megalomaniacs, or even the legacy of monsters like Napoleon, Hitler, or Stalin. But then Dominique de Villepin wrote a hagiography of the little emperor, and Russians talk grandly of the old days when Soviets were feared and respected, not denizens of a motley conglomeration of squabbling, corrupt republics from Chechnya to Georgia.

Revelations of recent German and French arms sales, French unilateral intervention in the Ivory Coast, the thousands who perished in the August heat wave in Paris, the spooky election-rhetoric in Germany, the holocaust in the Balkans, the oil deals with Saddam Hussein, the wave of anti-Semitism across Europe, or the callous policy toward Israel — all manifestly reveal Old Europe to be hardly a moral place, but in fact one that narrowly protects its own interests, falls back on bias and hate, and indulges in petty nationalism.

Thus we can dispense with the canard that European hostility toward us is enlightened and has much to do with a genuine feeling that a retrograde United States alone endangers the health and safety of the planet. Instead that deductive hostility has everything to do with the sense of European hurt over how successful our boorish nation should not be.

What are we to do? In fact, very little can be done. Perhaps all we can hope for is to understand rather than ameliorate these pathologies, and whenever possible combine tough love with magnanimity.

 

9 posted on 01/16/2004 6:22:20 AM PST by Tolik
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To: ArneFufkin
Yes, thank you. It was discussed here as well, twice:

Victor Davis Hanson: Iraq's Future – and Ours
Posted by quidnunc
On 01/02/2004 4:05:00 PM EST with 31 comments


Commentary Magazine ^ | January 2004 | Victor Davis Hanson
On November 21, 2003, some minor rocket attacks on the Iraqi oil ministry and on two hotels in Baghdad elicited an exceptional amount of attention in the global media. What drew the interest of journalists were the terrorists' mobile launchers: they were crude donkey carts. This peculiar juxtaposition of 8th- and 21st-century technology was taken as emblematic of the entire American experience in Iraq — an increasingly hopeless clash between our overwhelming conventional strength and stealthy terrorists able to turn our own lethal means against us with cheap and ubiquitous native materials. How could we possibly win this contest, when...
 

Iraq's Future—and Ours (note: long piece)
Posted by Valin
On 01/01/2004 10:09:01 AM EST with 13 comments


Commentary Magazine ^ | Jan. 04 | Victor Davis Hanson
ON NOVEMBER 21, 2003, some minor rocket attacks on the Iraqi oil ministry and on two hotels in Baghdad elicited an exceptional amount of attention in the global media. What drew the interest of journalists were the terrorists' mobile launchers: they were crude donkey carts. This peculiar juxtaposition of 8th- and 21st-century technology was taken as emblematic of the entire American experience in Iraq—an increasingly hopeless clash between our overwhelming conventional strength and stealthy terrorists able to turn our own lethal means against us with cheap and ubiquitous native materials. How could we possibly win this contest, when an illiterate...


10 posted on 01/16/2004 6:26:24 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Professor Hanson hits some good points and, as always, with interesting turns of phrase. His theme about pride, though, is one of special interest to me.

It is seemingly impossible for an Arab in the media to discuss a point of policy- America's, Israel's, Arafat's, Osama's, whatever- without mentioning the words "pride,", "humiliation", or "dignity", and the perceived wounding or restoration of them.

I am very interested to learn more about this phenomenon, where the perception of humiliation or emasculation drives Arabic speakers to do such despicable things. Especially because perception is all in your head. What is the source of this feeling? Why is it so prevalent? Why do people believe it and perpetuate it?

Similarly, why can't they open a business, or send their children to a respectable school, or work hard and have a good family, or otherwise better their own lives, and draw pride from those things, instead of their entire self image based around the perception of the Arab nation's lack of military or cultural power?

If anyone could direct me to any works (English only please- maybe auf Deutsch if not too dense) on the topic of Arab pride, and its relationship to policy and international relations, I would be thankful.

11 posted on 01/16/2004 6:36:53 AM PST by Gefreiter
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To: Tolik
bump.
12 posted on 01/16/2004 6:51:38 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: LibertyThug
VDH bump
13 posted on 01/16/2004 6:59:24 AM PST by Akira (The people have spoken.....the bastards.)
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To: Tolik
Great article.

This reminds me of something I read about the Iraq war that really made me laugh. It seems that our psych ops troops understood something about Arab pride, so they'd drive Humvees with loudspeakers praising Iraqi males, asking them to stay at home during the invasion, and saying they will be important to building a free Iraq in the future. They also had a message for the irregular militia men -- saying they were impotent. The report I read said this enraged the militia fighters so much they'd come out shooting from behind their cover, where our combat forces could quickly send them on to the next world.

Does anyone else remember reading a news report like this?

14 posted on 01/16/2004 7:18:30 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: Tolik
VDH bump.
15 posted on 01/16/2004 7:19:05 AM PST by metesky (My investment program is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: FreedomPoster
I thought the metaphor about Iranians "hogging" the television is just great -- I like the way he associates Muslim trouble-makers with swine.
16 posted on 01/16/2004 7:22:51 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
Yes, I read that as well. If you were looking for the article, I believe it was in the mainstream press. If I'm misremembering, maybe it was military.com? Stars 'n Stripes?
17 posted on 01/16/2004 7:23:12 AM PST by Gefreiter
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To: 68skylark
I did not see this report. If true, it's a great news. It means that somebody really did his homework well.
18 posted on 01/16/2004 7:23:23 AM PST by Tolik
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To: 68skylark
No, but it sounds like something that would work, and that we would do.
19 posted on 01/16/2004 7:35:50 AM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: Gefreiter
There is a book called The Arab Mind... (I don't remember the author, sorry) that might be helpful.

Plus, Bernard Lewis has several books out that you might find useful... What Went Wrong, Crisis in Islam are two that come to mind.

20 posted on 01/16/2004 7:36:17 AM PST by carton253 (It's time to draw your sword and throw away the scabbard... General TJ Jackson)
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