Posted on 01/15/2004 10:20:48 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
Edited on 07/12/2004 4:12:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
There are many examples of amnesty. Giving legal status to millions of illegal aliens without exacting a penalty, is another example of amnesty.
>>>I would not call a "temporary worker" permit amnesty.
Your wrong. The definitions of pardon and amnesty are quite clear.
pardon: "a release from the legal penalties of an offense"
amnesty: "the act of an authority by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals"
Your wrong. The definitions of pardon and amnesty are quite clear.
pardon: "a release from the legal penalties of an offense" amnesty: "the act of an authority by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals"
I say you're wrong. I don't think a temporary pardon for the purpose of giving people work permits fits the common understanding of amnesty.
We can split hairs if you like over the definition of amnesty forever, but in the end I still support Bush's proposal.
Action-America. Are you running for some sort of office? I ask this because your page looks like some sort of political ad.
No. I have thought about it a few times. But, the only positions that I have held have been precinct chairman a few times and I have been a delegate to some state GOP conventions. When I had had the time to campaign for a political office, I was in a heavily Rat district (state and national) and just didn't feel like wasting what little time I had on a campaign that couldn't win. Now that I am in a Republican district, I have some serious obligations that take up a lot of my time and make it impossible for me to campaign.
So, since I can't run for office, I have been writing for Action America for about 5 years now, in the hope that I can influence some voters and those who do run for and hold office. When I began writing and the site was only a sub site on the Michael Reagan web site, taking around 100 to 500 hits a month, I didn't really take a lot of time making it look good. However, since that time, our traffic has grown exponentially and we have had to register our own name and have upgraded the site several times, to try to justify the traffic that we were receiving. Today, Action America regularly takes over 150,000 hits per month and has peaked at over 316,000 hits in a single month. What amazes me (and pleases me no end), is that so many people want to read what I write.
In a way, I feel like I am obligated to our readers to maintain a certain level of quality and professionalism on the site and that's what makes me keep trying to improve it. My FR profile page is somewhat like the Action America "About" page, with some personal things added at the bottom, so it too, may have a campaign type of look. In a way, I am campaigning. I'm campaigning for common sense and conservative action at the polls. But alas, I'm not campaigning for me.
This isn't about splitting hairs. The words "pardon" and "amnesty" have specific definitions for use in American English. If you choose to ignore what these words actually stand for, you're being intellectually dishonest.
>>>... but in the end I still support Bush's proposal.
Another member of the pro-amnesty/open borders contingent. Gotcha!
Oh please. Anybody can see that there is a difference between a temporary worker status and a permanent amnesty for illegal immigrants.
You can stick to your nit-picking, narrow-minded legalistic generalizations in order to condemn any differing opinions on this subject...but don't even try lecturing me on intellectual honesty.
Jorge" but in the end I still support Bush's proposal."
Another member of the pro-amnesty/open borders contingent. Gotcha!
I oppose open borders.
Why don't you try reading people's posts instead of assigning them positions you feel most comfortable arguing against.
Just a suggestion.
>>>Why don't you try reading people's posts...
I always read peoples posts. You said: "...in the end I still support Bush's proposal."
Bush`s proposals are all about granting legal status to illegal aliens. And no matter how upset you get and no matter how much you engage in your usual juvenile outbursts, in the real world Bush`s proposals stand for a pardon and that means amnesty.
Bush's proposal has been laid out and explained to you enough times for you to understand.
A temporary worker status IS NOT the same as total amnesty.
The fact that you refuse to acknowledge the difference more than proves your intellectual dishonesty on this subject.
I can understand your characterizing a rational presentation of the facts as a "juvenile outburst" considering your apparent inability to articulate a coherent and consistant position on this issue.
You're wrong and you know it.
It's not that difficult a decision Mr. President. People are breaking the law. You're supposed to enforce the law. Instead of enforcing the law, you're twisting it so that the lawbreakers aren't breaking the law anymore.
That's absolutely CLINTONIAN!
My position has been very consistent and very coherent. I oppose any form of amnesty that would lead to a legal status for illegal aliens. I have advocated sealing US borders for years. I support going through the proper channels that leads to legal immigration.
Since Bush gave his immigration reform speech, poll after poll has shown a majority of American's oppose his proposals. That includes the current FreeRepublic poll "Question", which states 67% of FReepers oppose Bush`s plan. The majority of threads posted on FR since Bush`s speech are opposed to his plan. You are in the minority on this issue and history is not on your side either.
David Limbaugh summed it up well. He wrote:
"It's a muddled plan, with dubious goals and inevitably negative consequences – which doesn't bode well for the president's image as a decisive leader with moral clarity.
Beyond undermining the rule of law, this plan devalues the uniqueness of American citizenship by trivializing the laws aimed at making it selective and a special privilege. It sends a message that illegal immigration is a trifling matter.
President Bush, whom I deeply admire on many levels, has stretched the patience of conservatives too far on this one. He should reconsider."
I did take my window sign down and my bumper sticker off. I also contacted the reelection office that I would not campaign for President Bush until he changed his mind.
It hurt too, because I like him and I think he has done some great things for us. ( Shh...I am keeping a couple in reserve, in case he changes his mind.)
I am trying to stay hopeful.
Awwwwwwwww!
He did not write a bill.
He proposed some guidelines for congress to do so.
The law is a blank slate at the present time and we get to fill in the blanks.
I don't know how complicated that can be, and I believe he will sign a bill that has lot's of teeth in it.
How can anyone complain (except the illegals) about a bill that has not been written, but only in the concept stage with general guidelines?
People calling it amnesty and saying it has no teeth are very premature.
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