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Court: Yelling at Teens a Crime
Associated Press / Billings Gazette ^ | 1/15/2004

Posted on 01/15/2004 4:20:22 PM PST by disclaimer

HELENA - Allison Chapman was fed up that night, fed up with teenagers routinely driving the streets of Geraldine playing loud music on their car stereos into the late hours.

But his attempt to discourage the practice was disorderly conduct, for which he was rightly convicted, the Montana Supreme Court has ruled.

A five-judge panel said Tuesday that Chapman's effort to disperse a carful of teens from a public road in front of his house by shouting at them to get out of his town was a crime. Chapman was wrong in arguing that no one's peace was disturbed by his actions, the court said.

Chapman, 38, assailed the high court's decision as depriving him of his constitutional right to free speech.

"They're saying we don't have any constitutional rights - we can't say anything; we have to watch everything we say," he said Wednesday. "If you say anything that anybody at all takes any offense at, you're guilty."

At trial, Chapman admitted he went into the street on the night of Oct. 18, 2001, and scolded Nicholas Scribner and three other area youths in a parked car. He said the kids "spend most every night driving around the town of Geraldine with their car stereos thumping," while Chapman was trying to sleep.

In court papers, he recalled telling the youths, "You can't come into this town and drive around all night disturbing people. I just called the police. You're going to jail tonight."

Chapman, who denied shouting or yelling, acknowledge he was angry and that he used an expletive to order the teens to leave town, even though they were not playing music in the car at the time.

"I have every right to do this," he said.

Three of the children testified that Chapman did yell at them and they were scared as they drove away. Prosecutors said Chapman's use of threatening conduct and language is not speech protected by the constitution and was rightly considered disorderly conduct.

Chapman contended that, since no argument, fight or confrontation was involved, he could not be guilty of a crime.

But the Supreme Court disagreed.

"Because this (event) established a disturbance of the status quo for those three individuals, we conclude it was sufficient to support a jury finding that Chapman was guilty of disorderly conduct," Chief Justice Karla Gray wrote.

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(Excerpt) Read more at billingsgazette.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: firstamendment; freespeech; teen; teens
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It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. - Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
1 posted on 01/15/2004 4:20:23 PM PST by disclaimer
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bump
2 posted on 01/15/2004 4:50:43 PM PST by erasmus605 (Posting without a license since 2003.)
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"Chapman admitted he went into the street on the night of Oct. 18, 2001, and scolded Nicholas Scribner and three other area youths in a parked car."

He said the kids "spend most every night driving around the town of Geraldine with their car stereos thumping," while Chapman was trying to sleep.

"Three of the children testified that Chapman did yell at them and they were scared as they drove away."

AWW. The knuckleheads weren't scared. That's a lie.

Begs the question. What are supposed "children" (at first the report describes "teenagers") doing this out this late?

This guy was in the right. If these little morons had any respect, they'd be home at such an hour instead of being parked in another neighborhood.

I have done the same thing. And will continue to do so.

3 posted on 01/15/2004 4:53:53 PM PST by perfect stranger (No tag line text found. ERROR 7c240000-10e36. This application will be terminated.)
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Prosecutors said Chapman's use of threatening conduct and language is not speech protected by the constitution and was rightly considered disorderly conduct.

Overzealous idiot prosecutor alert.
4 posted on 01/15/2004 4:55:49 PM PST by microgood (Gollum.....Middle Earth's first lawyer.)
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hey, YOU HAVE TO YELL, to be heard over some of this music BLASTING from cars nowdays.
5 posted on 01/15/2004 5:03:32 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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"Because this (event) established a disturbance of the status quo for those three individuals...."

Pure sewage.

What of the status quo of the homeowner? Of the rest of the neighborhood?

6 posted on 01/15/2004 5:03:44 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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What of the status quo of the homeowner? Of the rest of the neighborhood?

Does make you wonder if Chief Justice Karla Gray is a leftist, feminist, and/or just plain stupid.

7 posted on 01/15/2004 5:08:02 PM PST by disclaimer
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The JURY found him guilty

What a load of crap
8 posted on 01/15/2004 5:08:59 PM PST by uncbob
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The answer is YES!
9 posted on 01/15/2004 5:17:51 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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LOL!
10 posted on 01/15/2004 5:25:40 PM PST by disclaimer
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"Because this (event) established a disturbance of the status quo for those three individuals, we conclude it was sufficient to support a jury finding that Chapman was guilty of disorderly conduct,"

This disturbs me and I find the court guilty of obscene conduct.

11 posted on 01/15/2004 5:56:17 PM PST by Drango (NPR is the tax funded propaganda wing of the DNC.)
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This disturbs me and I find the court guilty of obscene conduct.

Me too, that's why I posted the article. Nowadays, what is wrong is right...

12 posted on 01/15/2004 6:06:28 PM PST by disclaimer
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>Allison Chapman was fed up that night....But his attempt to discourage the practice....

Allison is a man?
13 posted on 01/15/2004 7:50:26 PM PST by jagrmeister (I'm not a conservative. I don't seek to conserve, I seek to reform.)
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Dope slap the officious blackrobe. Tyranny is wrong and pompous.
14 posted on 01/15/2004 7:55:39 PM PST by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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Allison is a man?

Otherwise known as Al...

15 posted on 01/15/2004 8:16:15 PM PST by disclaimer
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"What of the status quo of the homeowner? Of the rest of the neighborhood?"

They are obviously on the official list of those whom it is acceptable to offend....others being white heterosexuals, particularly men, anyone who values family or who believe in the sanctity of life, Jews and Christians....you know; that list.

16 posted on 01/15/2004 8:23:54 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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"If you say anything that anybody at all takes any offense at, you're guilty."

Good thing you learned it now buddy boy.

</sarcasm>

17 posted on 01/15/2004 8:28:08 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Under penalty of law: This tag not to be removed except by the user.)
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AOTA, plus menopausal.
18 posted on 01/15/2004 8:31:08 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: sweetliberty
Somebody tell me that my feelings of dread, that civil war is coming, isn't just illogic and paranoia.
19 posted on 01/15/2004 8:36:23 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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"Somebody tell me that my feelings of dread, that civil war is coming, isn't just illogic and paranoia."

You won't hear it from me.

20 posted on 01/15/2004 8:40:19 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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