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To: af_vet_1981; truthandjustice1
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I know that a bunch of sources and agents were executed in 1985-87. NONE OF THESE WAS AMERICAN. They were foreign nationals working for us -- in other words, betraying their countries. It was our responsibility to them to keep them alive. Thanks to a bunch of people, possibly including but probably not including Pollard, they were betrayed to their own nations. Like Pollard (and the other dirtbags I've mentioned), they were arrested and tried. Unlike Pollard, most of them faced the supreme penalty.

The way the game is played is: you slam your traitor. If you also catch the foreign officer who handles him, you PNG him (if under diplomatic cover, as Pollard's handlers were), or you arrest him (if not). Usually foreign officer, i.e. a CIA case officer caught in Russia, are not executed (you want to question them, and ultimately, to trade them). The US and USSR very, very seldom injured each other's officers during the Cold War.

The individual spies were liable to get the spy's reward -- like Oleg Penkovsky or Julius and Ethel Rosenberg to name two famous cases everybody should know about.

They say spying is an exciting job, but the retirement plan stinks.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

43 posted on 01/15/2004 7:25:37 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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Here is the "other side of the story"

http://www.jonathanpollard.org/

This is Pollard's spin, and it's a lot of BS (for instance they say he "only committed one instance of transferring one document" but that is all he pled to... on the site letters he has sent from Crowbar Motel reveal much more).

But it's only fair to let him, and his sponsors, make their case. They really give poor Joe Lieberman hell... apparently he's "bad for the Jews" because he doesn't wanna spring Jay. Since when did one jailed traitor become the litmus test for a whole people?

Incidentally, Pollard's wife now is not the one that helped him in his espionage and who has already done her time and been released. The pre-arrest spy helper was Anne and the post-arrest spy groupie is Esther.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

PS - on Israeli espionage, somewhere online there's a database where you can see all the Israeli diplomats who've been PNG'd. I recall seeing it but can't remember the URL, sorry.

44 posted on 01/15/2004 7:34:58 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
I know that a bunch of sources and agents were executed in 1985-87. NONE OF THESE WAS AMERICAN. They were foreign nationals working for us -- in other words, betraying their countries. It was our responsibility to them to keep them alive. Thanks to a bunch of people, possibly including but probably not including Pollard, they were betrayed to their own nations. Like Pollard (and the other dirtbags I've mentioned), they were arrested and tried. Unlike Pollard, most of them faced the supreme penalty.

The way the game is played is: you slam your traitor. If you also catch the foreign officer who handles him, you PNG him (if under diplomatic cover, as Pollard's handlers were), or you arrest him (if not). Usually foreign officer, i.e. a CIA case officer caught in Russia, are not executed (you want to question them, and ultimately, to trade them). The US and USSR very, very seldom injured each other's officers during the Cold War.

The individual spies were liable to get the spy's reward -- like Oleg Penkovsky or Julius and Ethel Rosenberg to name two famous cases everybody should know about.

They say spying is an exciting job, but the retirement plan stinks.

Yep, but sometimes the retirement is incidental to doing the right thing. My favorite spy is Hannah Senesh.

I've no doubt some people hate her and call her names. I've no doubt they will never see G-d.

46 posted on 01/15/2004 7:43:46 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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