[RebelBanker]

My point was not the dollar cost of deportations, it was what it would look like. The images of soldiers (or even just regular police) rounding men, women and children up and putting them in trucks or trains to be deported would be political suicide for whoever was in charge. The similarity to the images of the Holocaust would be way too obvious.

I like the idea of giving illegals less incentive to be here in the first place. As Carry_Okie pointed out, they got here on their own - thus, they wanted to come here. My question is, how do we convince them that is in their best interest to stay home in their third-world rathole rather than come to the greatest country on Earth?

[Thorin]

This is a simple matter of defending our borders. If Lee and Jackson had thought the way you do, the Civil War wouldn't have lasted very long. If we don't have the stomach to defend our laws because we're afraid of how the enforcement will look on TV, we won't last very long as a nation either.

Besides, as others here have pointed out, we don't necessarily need mass deportations. By enforcing employer sanctions, we eliminate the incentive to come here, and many will simply go home on their own. Bush, of course, is sending precisely the opposite signal.

[FITZ]

The images of soldiers (or even just regular police) rounding men, women and children up and putting them in trucks or trains to be deported would be political suicide for whoever was in charge. The similarity to the images of the Holocaust would be way too obvious.

That assumes no one is being deported or getting that voluntary departure now. They are --- and do you see any pictures of it? It's not even a big deal to the illegals --- they get picked up around here, they get offered a ride back to Mexico and if they're smart they take it. They go to some place, wait for a while, they are taken to a gate in the fence and walk back to their own country. There are all kinds of buses, taxis if they decide not to walk. No Holocaust, no bad images. Just people going back home.

[FITZ]

Also Americans sometimes get deported. That's not a big deal either --- they get taken up to the USA side and back home they go.

Sometimes illegals and legals even deport themselves --- that's real common if they commit some kind of crime and are caught, they jump bail and off to home they go. It's not really horrendous to go back home. Many illegals travel back and forth quite often, they go back for Christmas, for other holidays, going back isn't all that traumatic --- they're going back to their home country where they know the language and culture.

[Marine Inspector]

My point was not the dollar cost of deportations, it was what it would look like. The images of soldiers (or even just regular police) rounding men, women and children up and putting them in trucks or trains to be deported would be political suicide for whoever was in charge.

That does not need to be done. Just enforce the current laws and stop all welfare for illegals and they will leave on their own accord.

[Fishrrman]

Rebel Banker (Deo Vindice) writes:
My question is, how do we convince them that is in their best interest to stay home in their third-world rathole rather than come to the greatest country on Earth?

I originally posted this to FR on December 26, 2003:

As off-the-wall as it may sound, I believe the ONLY way for the United States to halt the "Mexican invasion" is to ASSIMILATE Mexico through conquest and partition it into several addition states of the Union. Yes, I am advocating an outright war of oocupation and conquest against Mexico.

Once the next war with Mexico has been won, the United States will have become -- at least temporarily -- a bilingual nation, but at the same time, we can equalize the economic imbalance that currently exists in the Northern Hemisphere and is pushing the poor of Mexico/Central America in our direction.

Conquering Mexico will also repair some of the damage done by NAFTA, by creating a minimum wage in Mexico and by forcing businessness there to operate on an equal footing with those north of the border (and that includes Canada, too). Of course, Mexicans will become entitled to Social Security benefits, but wasn't the Bush administration ready to pay them to Mexico _anyway_? Might as well make them contributors as well as payees.

I believe that Mexico could be invaded and conquered in a matter of days, with little bloodshed. Mexican soldiers would throw down their arms so fast it would make the French look courageous. Their government is so corrupt that a majority of Mexicans would probably _welcome_ its overthrow by the United States. I wonder -- if a poll could be taken today posing to Mexicans the question of unification with America -- what the true reponse of Mexicans might be?

Ultimately, the question becomes, do we let Mexico conquer us demographically through unopposed immigration, or do we pre-empt such action by assimilating them first?

Like the ongoing war between the West and Islam, one side must ultimately win over the other. Which side do YOU wish to emerge victorious?

Cheers!
- John