Bush Gives Country Away

WND.com | 01-15-03 | Farah, Joseph

[Carry_Okie]

Unfortunately, they are not in their native countries, they are here. Any workable solution must take that into account.

LOL! They got here on their own, didn't they? Now you want to infer that they can't figure out how or have the wherewithal to to go home?

If I may respectfully disagree, I have seen a lot of oppostion to guest worker programs of any type.

Not here on FR, and I monitor the immigration threads daily.

I beg your pardon if I did not accurately reflect your position, but I was responding to a "deport 'em all and wall up the borders" post.

Then don't lump people into that group; they are the vast minority even here on FR.

[Marysecretary]

Wow, that is ONE savvy kid! The article was fantastic. Oooowwweeeee!!!!

[kevao]

Tell me how you are going to deport 8 million people?

That question becomes even more critical in the post-amnesty period, because without an effective immigration enforcement mechanism, the amnesty will be a fiasco.

What employer is going to hire a "documented" illegal while a stream of undocumented illegals, willing to work for less, continues to flood the labor market?

[Mr. Mojo]

That chart only covers FDR's war years. His '32 - '40 years would most likely tell quite a different story.

[Carry_Okie]

I'm sure a lot of people support the concept, but how many of them would actually support the steps needed to physically round up 8 million illegals?

Mass deportation is operationally unnecessary.

[Carry_Okie]

We don't need a bureaucracy and police roaming the streets to round up illegals. All we need is a motive for them to leave and a bounty if they don't.

[Marysecretary]

Sounds to me like a decent kid who is brighter than most of the government school kids they're grinding out these days. Horray for homeschooling!

[Regulator]

Also Mexico isn't exporting terrorism

The entire Mexican "government" is a terrorist gang.

[Marine Inspector]

Please think about what it would take to round up and deport 8 to 12 million people - men, women and children.

First off we don't have to round them up. A few changes in our laws and they will leave on their own. Very little cost wise.

Anyway, Bush spends more on social welfare programs then it would cost to deport 10 million+ illegals.

Their job is not to get reelected, it's to support and defend the Constitution and the American people.

[carenot]

Thanks.
I remember when I worked the swing shift in 1968. The Government came in and we had to line up and show Social Security card and Driver's license.

[ought-six]

I will not make excuses for Bush. I think he has done wonderfully on the WOT, but this immigration proposal is one of the worst things I have ever seen (LBJ's "Great Society" was the worst in my lifetime, and I'm in my 50s). I am even beginning to questions his choices on the judiciary, what with the recdent ruling of that DC judge (appointed by GWB) who just ruled that the Second Amendment doesn't say what it says, and that there is no consitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. Bush is losing his base quicker than Bill Clinton dopped trou. The massive bureaucracy and bankrupting abomination known as his prescription drug benefit is another terrible blunder. And if he signs a AWB when the present one sunsets, he's finished as president. He will have pissed off too much of his base. My God, he's going to follow right in the footsteps of his father: He is going to squander a seemingly unbeatable approval rating and will lose in 2004 to some left-wing dingbat. I voted for him in 2000, and proudly. I cannot in good conscience vote for him in 2004.

[ought-six]

How about deportation? How about punishing the businesses that hire illegals? Damnit, we have ther laws on the books. We just need to enforce them. THAT is my proposal for dealing with this problem.

[RebelBanker]

Giving illegals a motive to go home sounds like a great idea. I think a little less incentive to be here in the first place (welfare and other handouts) would not hurt either.

There is no easy solution, but I hope smarter people than me are working on the problem. As I said, I do not believe the "deport 'em all and wall up the border" idea would be very practical. However, Sabertooth had a really good set of measures that (IMHO) have some serious potential.

/break/

Hey, Saber, would you be so kind as to hit a couple of high points?

[Howlin]

Well, look where the graphic came from. Any questions?

[Howlin]

Also can you please post a link on how Eisenhower did it.

Actually, I did see somebody post the numbers by adminstration the other night.

1.4 million is about the average. Can't find the post now though.

[carenot]

THAT is my proposal for dealing with this problem.

That would work.

[RebelBanker]

My point was not the dollar cost of deportations, it was what it would look like. The images of soldiers (or even just regular police) rounding men, women and children up and putting them in trucks or trains to be deported would be political suicide for whoever was in charge. The similarity to the images of the Holocaust would be way too obvious.

I like the idea of giving illegals less incentive to be here in the first place. As Carry_Okie pointed out, they got here on their own - thus, they wanted to come here. My question is, how do we convince them that is in their best interest to stay home in their third-world rathole rather than come to the greatest country on Earth?

[ought-six]

"JMO, the vast majority of the hispanic illegals are not terrorists or violent criminals."

Oh, I see: You have no problem with criminals, just terrorists and violent criminals. Statistics have shown that illegals are far more apt to increase their criminality, even violent criminality, than non-illegals who respect the rule of law. The illegals have no respect for the rule of law, and they proved that when they broke the law to come here in the first place. And you want to rewqard them? Dane, you delusional.

[ought-six]

"Taking these steps would lead to a gradual attrition of illegals over the long-term."

I'd be willing to employ that process AS AN INITIAL step. But then, more drastic measures will likely be necessary.

[azhenfud]

"Everything he says about Bush applies equally well to Reagan."

Except Reagan was dealing with only 1/4 to 1/3 as many Illegaliens as Bush wants to unleash on America. Neither was there a provision from Reagan to raid SSI coffers and send those payments south with those jobs courtesy of someone with a fake or stolen SS#.

All in all, they're not equal.