Sterilization: Why It Is Wrong

Catholic Herald ^ | 1/15/04 | Fr. William P. Saunders

[ZULU]

Most kids are closer to their mother than to their father, at least when they are babies. Its a biological fact. Never heard of a nursing father either.

The only case where a mother uses a kid as a meal ticket is in limited social circles where such practises pass on from generation to generation, and said mothers make it a practise to produce as many illegimate offspriing as possible. Thankfully, this still represents a limited subculture, but one which my $10,000 for a permanent fix-up job would cure.

You sure sound hard on women. Like I said, it takes two to tango and both partners have equal culpability in these practises.

[biblewonk]

If you have any respect for the Lord then don't suggest sterilizing the poor. What a horrible thing to say. Jesus was poor, John the Baptist was poor. Read what the bible says about the poor vs the rich and forget everything Rush says. Rush's gospel is "The persuit of money is the root of all good". Does that sound right?

[Paul C. Jesup]

Most kids are closer to their mother than to their father, at least when they are babies. Its a biological fact. Never heard of a nursing father either.

Actually, yes, there are a few medical stories on the subject.

The only case where a mother uses a kid as a meal ticket is in limited social circles where such practises pass on from generation to generation, and said mothers make it a practise to produce as many illegimate offspriing as possible.

You admit that the mothers teach their daughters to abuse the system and you still have the gall to blame men. You're making my case for me.

[ZULU]

"Actually, yes, there are a few medical stories on the subject."

A don't think you can base an argument on a few erratic freaks.

"You admit that the mothers teach their daughters to abuse the system and you still have the gall to blame men. You're making my case for me."

I said in some cases in certain circles. Its hardly the rule, thank God.

By the way, did you call the Bob Grant Show on radio in the Nw York area years ago complaining about women and women's rights?

By the way, I'm a male chauvenist and proud of it.

[Paul C. Jesup]

A don't think you can base an argument on a few erratic freaks.

Your ignorance on the secondary gender organs of the human body is absolutely funny.

I said in some cases in certain circles. Its hardly the rule

Yes it is, ever heard of welfare slums.

By the way, did you call the Bob Grant Show on radio in the Nw York area years ago complaining about women and women's rights?

No, I have never been to the NYC area.

By the way, I'm a male chauvenist and proud of it.

Well you are acting more like a raving man-hating femenist on this thread.

[ZULU]

"Your ignorance on the secondary gender organs of the human body is absolutely funny."

Actually, I think your statements are kind of ridiculous. Functional mammary glands are found on females, rarely on males. I believe there is only species of primate in which the male normally nurses the offspring. Homo sapiens isn't it.

"I said in some cases in certain circles. Its hardly the rule

Yes it is, ever heard of welfare slums."

Yeah, I have, and welfare slums are hardly the rule in America, ARE they?

"Well you are acting more like a raving man-hating femenist on this thread."

No, I think YOU are interjecting a sexist element.

My statements have nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with being fed up with paying for other people's irresponsibilities.


I just said I didn't want to have to pay for other people's parties by supporting illegitimate children with my tax dollars. I said that males and females are equally culpable, but it IS easier for males to elude their responsibilities. They don't carry the kid around for nine months. If THEY want out, they just skip the state. She gets the kid, we get the bill. And later society pays by having to deal with a hostile, frequnetly under-educated and disfuntional adult who grew up in a one parent or no parent household, and perpetuates the system by having no positive paental role models. I said I wanted to pay women who do this to get fixed, and castrate those males who run around partying, knocking up women, leaving them, and sticking me with the bill.

Now what part of that is wrong??

[Paul C. Jesup]

Actually, I think your statements are kind of ridiculous. Functional mammary glands are found on females, rarely on males. I believe there is only species of primate in which the male normally nurses the offspring. Homo sapiens isn't it.

Actually mammary glands can be found in both females and male, they are only usually 'active' in females.

No, I think YOU are interjecting a sexist element

You're the one who wants to castrate men WITHOUT giving them a chance to defend themselves.

Also, you turn a complete blind eye to the irresponsibilities of women.

[BenLurkin]

My FRiend. Poor versus rich is not the issue.

The question is whether we want MORE poor. Of course no one does.

This will not harm poor people. It is poverty which we should seek to eradicate.

[ZULU]

"Me: Functional mammary glands are found on females, rarely on males. I believe there is only species of primate in which the male normally nurses the offspring. Homo sapiens isn't it."

You "Actually mammary glands can be found in both females and male, they are only usually 'active' in females."

I think "functional" and "active" mean essentially the same thing in this context.

"You're the one who wants to castrate men WITHOUT giving them a chance to defend themselves."

Not really. I just said that males who spawn kids and then skip town to do it again should be castrated. Obviously, you would need to prove that such a thing was indeed the case before resorting to the scalpel.

"Also, you turn a complete blind eye to the irresponsibilities of women."

No. I acknowledged that both parties were equally culpable. But I suppose a guy can seduce a woman into thinking he was interested in marriage, or a female can seduce a guy, hoping to trap into marriage. But there is a degree of culpability in both instances by both parties.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Not really. I just said that males who spawn kids and then skip town to do it again should be castrated. Obviously, you would need to prove that such a thing was indeed the case before resorting to the scalpel.

You seem to be forget one important fact that you are missing.

If a man skips town right after sex, there is no way in hell he can know that he got someone pregnant.

You cannot seem to get that through your thick skull.

[ZULU]

What you are apparently unable to digest is the fact that there are consequences to a person's actions.

If you have casual sex with somebody, a child might result. The individuals responsible are the male and female who engage in such casual, extra-marital sex, and I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THIER PARTY!!! Sex outside marriage is wrong. If you going to do, use a condom and be prepared to pay for the consequnces - DON'T STICK ME AND SOCIETY WITH THE BILL

GET IT???!!

[Paul C. Jesup]

I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THIER PARTY!!!

If you don't want to pay for it then blame the mother (she's the one that applies for welfare), not the father and you can support the abolishment of social programs.