Judical Council Reveals Peterson Venue Choices

KTVU News ^ | Jan 13 2004

[Velveeta]

Geragos repeated verbatim to the Judge today the scenario about the dogs walkers telling the Laci look-alike (black pant, black pants) to shut her F *ing dog up. Geragos felt the need to just "say it".

[Velveeta]

John F. Kerry
Mark F. Geragos

yep!

[Velveeta]

Thought bubble above Scott's head: "Dang! Guess I won't be able to keep that date I made for tonight after all!"

Jackie and Lee weren't there today but Susan and Joe were there representing the inmate's family.

I hear ole Susie and Joe arrived together in the 2 seater car! (ba da bump)

Jackie and Lee were seen at Neverland Ranch in time for afternoon Koran study.

[Velveeta]

Or...maybe the theory is that "someone" cut the baby from her womb (no cut marks on the autopsy)and the baby lived for several more weeks. Then what? They killed the baby? Baby died tragically? But the murderers were so kind as to dump him in the bay right next to Laci??

Sentimental satanic kidnapper murders.

[pinz-n-needlez]

Man, Dev....

If Geragos reads this forum, I bet he has nightmares about the details you're able to keep track of.

I pray Distaso manages to ply all of these little threads into a sturdy rope to hang Scott.

You are very good! :-)

Pinz

[pinz-n-needlez]

It's interesting to watch Geragos accuse the state of a mistatement, then defend Scott from it. All the while ignoring the REAL stuff the state is saying. (Christmas Eve isn't at night, the motif is Amber, etc.)

If Lace was 32 weeks at her last appointment, and the coroner says the baby was 33 - 39 weeks, That doesn't prove the baby lived any longer. There is a 2 week leeway with the best of ob calendars... did Laci ovulate early or late in her menstrual cycle? Predicting gestional age is notoriously difficult. And babies develop within a 2 week window even when deemed full-term.

And those foul mouthed dog yellers were talking to a woman with a white top and black pants, it couldn't have been Laci, according to the same coroner! The eyewitnesses also saw a woman wearing black and white.

Please judge, let CTV televise this....

Pinz

[pinz-n-needlez]

er, motif = motive

[Howlin]

I have a question.

I missed all the shows tonight becasue of phone calls, but I got the impression that Geragos has now said that Connor lived some time after Laci died, is that right?

Well, here is my question: how is it that the baby was BORN when she never gave birth?

And how is it that the umbilical cord never fell off?

[Rusty Roberts]

I caught the end of LKL tonight, and Beth Karas from CTV made the point that the "witness" who "saw" Laci at the park with the two men yelling about the dog etc, has been debunked in court. Apparently, the prosecution went back and tracked the nurse's break time and found that there is no way that she could have seen Laci and the dog at the right time according to her break schedule.

When the transcripts are available for LKL, this will be good to read, as Johnny C and The Pixler kept going on and on about this witness and these foul mouthed men, obviously how dangerous they must have been, lol. Zap, they're outta here!

[Howlin]

I heard Cochran going on about the age of the baby. How dumb do they think we are?

[Rusty Roberts]

Yup, it appears the defense is cruisin' fer a bruisin', and Scotty is not liking it one bit, lol.

[maggief]

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Analysis of Scott Peterson Murder Case Developments

Aired January 14, 2004 - 21:00 ET

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/14/lkl.00.html

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...CALLER: Yes. Hi. One thing that really -- the question is, basically, is that it doesn't seem like anybody really knows much about ultrasounding because there's a huge variance with ultrasounding. I know that, for a fact, my child -- I had four ultrasounds in the pregnancy, and my child was two pounds heavier than what they said he was going to be, which would make him anywhere between four to six weeks older.

KING: Johnnie, any comment on ultrasound in this case?

COCHRAN: Well, I'm not an expert on ultrasound, but I'll tell you this. At the trial there will be experts probably on both sides. And I think that it is a science of which experts may tend to disagree. But you know, from the defense standpoint, what they want to show is that the child was older than the child would have been if he had died on December 23, and as such, continued to live for a period of time, was part of an abduction and then was placed in the bay at a later time. I think that's what Geragos is going to argue. And I'd be surprised if there aren't experts who will back them up on that point. Don't you think so, Nancy?

GRACE: Well, a friend of yours and mine, Dr. Michael Baden, who is very well respected, has spoken directly on this issue and this case, and Dr. Baden says that an obstetrician's estimate can be way off by several weeks when it comes to 32 weeks and on. Why, Larry? Because at 32 weeks, the fetus typically doubles in weight. The caller is absolutely correct. And because this body had been in the water and can be bloated for that reason, I think the only way they're going to be able to tell is to measure the calcium in the bones, bottom line.

PIXLEY: But Larry, Nancy will have to admit also that the fact that this county coroner is the one that made the determination regarding the gestational age hurts the prosecution. It will be the prosecution's own witness, or one of the state's own potential witnesses, who made that determination. Now the prosecution has to undue that with their own evidence and their own experts.

GRACE: That's true.

PIXLEY: And if they come up with somebody, as Nancy is suggesting, then maybe it will all work out for them. But Johnnie's right, there will be competing experts on the issue.

KING: Help me with something. If that child was a different age, would that mean that Scott is not the murderer?

GRACE: If they can prove...

COCHRAN: It could.

GRACE: ... that the child is definitely much older than the 32 weeks it was, the state's got a big, big problem. But frankly, in the condition of baby Conner's body, Larry, and the tests they've done, they're comparing it to an ultrasound, as the caller said, that was done back in September, all right? They're going to have a hard time proving he was over 32 weeks.
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...KARAS: Well, some people think it's probably going to be in Alameda County, some people say Santa Clara. I think Geragos is hoping it's going to be in Orange County, south of Los Angeles, but that's the most conservative. I'm not sure why he would want it there, except that it's easy for him, it's most convenient for him.

I just want to add, Larry, there has been reference time and again tonight, two eyewitnesses in the park, or one eyewitness, seeing Laci with two men. That witness was dealt with at the preliminary hearing. She worked at a facility near the park, she was on a smoke break when they determined when her breaks were, her timing was way off, like by an hour. So she was already dealt with at the preliminary hearing. I mean, it's a credibility issue. She couldn't have seen Laci at the time she said she saw her.

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This is Mf'nG's star witness?!?

[Devil_Anse]

He might be saying that the baby outlived Laci, or it also appears he might be saying that Laci was kept somewhere for weeks after she disappeared, and that then both she and the baby were killed.

I guess he'll pick which of the above as soon as he determines which is most convenient to him.

Good point about the baby not having been born... he DID still have the whole cord still attached, with no little tied-off place, didn't he? Well, you SEE, these Satanists just cut out the baby, just sliced her open... yeah, right!

And how about this: let's assume arguendo that Geragos' latest cockamamie story is true. Okay, Laci and the growing baby stay alive for some weeks after Dec. 23. (Being held prisoner by some all-powerful fiend, no doubt.) Then, some weeks after Dec. 23, the bad guy finally kills the still-pregnant Laci, thus also killing Connor. Then the bad guy dumps her in the Bay.

If that's the case, what a huge coincidence it is, how on earth is it, that LACI JUST HAPPENS TO BE WEARING, WHEN SHE'S FINALLY MURDERED, THE VERY SAME PANTS SHE WAS WEARING AT HER LAST RELIABLE LIVE SIGHTING ON DEC. 23??

[Devil_Anse]

I know, makes lotsa sense, doesn't it?

Okay. They cut the baby out and kept him. (Never mind that his umbilical cord, apparently the whole thing, wasn't it? was still attached--guess they took the baby and the placenta out and just kept them together...)

So, see, they sliced the baby out of Laci's stomach. But they did so while she was wearing those same tan pants Amy saw her in on the 23rd, the night b/f she was abducted. And the tan pants stayed on her, with their drawstring tied securely around her waist, in spite of the furious cutting and hacking that was going on on Laci's abdomen...

I think it's fairly well-established that a baby of that gestational age, 7-8 lunar months, can live outside the womb, in this day and age.... BUT doesn't such a baby just HAVE to have extra medical attention, maybe hospitalization, in order to live? Wonder what hospital the satanists checked the baby into? (I'm sure they visited him every day and brought him little stuffed Exorcist dolls.)

[Devil_Anse]

No, pinz, it ain't me! We are all, taken together, Geragos' worst nightmare---those awful people who just wouldn't believe that Susan McDougal didn't remember, who just didn't believe that W. Ryder didn't REALLY steal... just normal, ordinary people. Apparently Geragos abhors people like us.

[RGSpincich]

Orange County is obviously easier for the Peterson family

I hadn't even considered them, your probably right. Although they do have free reign of an over mortgaged house in Modesto.

[Devil_Anse]

I think it was Beth Karas, on LKL, who reminded everyone that there was like a 1-hour discrepancy in that hospital/smoker lady's alleged sighting, too. That is, according to testimony at the prelim. Remember that bit about the taped interview? I have a vague memory of it.

[Devil_Anse]

Yeah, I'm so glad Beth Karas brought that up. I want to go back and re-read that part of the transcript!