I'm With John Madden: No More Commercial Flying For Me

Chuck Baldwin Ministries ^ | 01-13-03 | Baldwin, Chuck

[Lazamataz]

How can you tell if someone is a Muslim by looking at them in the airport?

It's tattoed on the back of 'is neck!

[Terry Mross]

It's easy to tell if someone is a Muslim. Offer them a ham sandwich and make them pet a dog before they get on the plane.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

by looking at them in the airport

[OldPossum]

Re your post 19. I go one step further and say that I positively will never fly again. Luckily for me, I am retired and have that option; I feel sorry for those good folks who have the same feelings I have but have to fly because their jobs require it.

[diamondjoe]

I thought he worked out an agreement with Winnebago wherein he provided several motivational speeches to their employees in exchange for a bus and a driver. At least that's what I seem to recall from his book, but that was many years ago.

[eno_]

That's bad science.

Alcohol-related impairment is trivial to measure. Any fine motor skill and intellectual skill test will measure impairment from even very small consumption of alcohol.

What it doesn't measure is impairment that matters.

If impairment is the issue, let's ban driving after taking most antihistamines. They are far more dangerous than 0.08BAC. Then let's start with all other presription medications. OHHHHHH! The roads would be emtpy! OHHHH! The drug companies would get sued! OHHHH! No "rehab" scams. No, let's stick to making social drinkers into "drunk drivers."

[Hodar]

0.08 - 0.09% Feelings of euphoria may occur. Motor skills are clearly impaired, mild speech impairment may become noticeable; balance may be affected; recognition of cognitive and motor deficits is lost, and the drinker believes s/he is functioning better than s/he actually is, depression if present may become more pronounced. feeling "buzzed."

The FACT that people have debilitated motor skills, and have no conscious idea that they are even slightly impaired isn't cause for concern on your planet? People with a 'buzz', who feel they have something to prove is all part of a scam?

If you can show a study that shows that people have a greater than 4x incidence of having a traffic accident when they are taking antihistamines, present it. I have presented the facts as they are accepted by the medical and law enforcement communities. You have ranted. What's a matter; tip a few too many beers and went for a drive?

How many loved ones have you buried because some drunk had a 'disease' and decided to drive 80 mph through a stop sign? Attending the funeral of a friend who lost his wife and 2 daughters to one of these self-centered drunks is a really good treatment for a person with as uneducated attitude as yours. I hope you never, ever experience that form of education.

[eno_]

Why limit your outrage to alcohol. As I pointed out, antihistamines are more dangerous.

Why don't we ruin lives, imprison, subject to quack rehab, and fine into penury users of Benadryl that drive? That would be at least as effective in saving lives.

[eno_]

Nope. I allowed myself to br "breathalysed" once before I learned how dangerous that can be. If anyone tried to lay a bum DUI on me I'd mess him up good. I have a big problem with systemic corruption, and I'd not fight clean.

You should check out which organizations are pushing ridiculous drunk driving standards. Then ask yourself if you want to make common cause with them.

[1L]

I thought he worked out an agreement with Winnebago wherein he provided several motivational speeches to their employees in exchange for a bus and a driver. At least that's what I seem to recall from his book, but that was many years ago.

The original agreement was with Greyhound, and it was as you said a bus and a driver in exchange for motivational speeches. But that was like 1988, several years after he started doing NFL games.

Around the time he went to Fox, he had corporate sponsors buying and furnishing his bus. When I saw it, about 3 or 4 years ago, the Madden Cruiser was sponsored by Outback Steakhouse. I think it still is, but the one I found on the web is not the one I remember seeing in person, so I'm sure he's gone through a few.

This is all trivial. My point was only that the writer was too sloppy with easy reporting to give any weight to anything else.

[Hodar]

You've made the allegation that Benadryl and antihistimines somehow impair driving. Do you have ANYTHING to back that up?

You certainly don't want to compare the number of deaths due to drunk drivers to those taking allergy medicine, do you? So, where's you data .... or is this all just made up data?

[Mulder]

This system will be easily expanded as the funding increases.

Eventually they'll expand it to getting a driver's license, etc...

And then they'll just make it a crime to get classified as "red" or "yellow". Of course, they won't tell you the criteria for getting classified that way.

Living in a police state sucks.

[WaterDragon]

I have no problem flying 'the friendly skies.' And it's about dang time the feds start tracking who's on those planes. Most of us will be fine, but possible terrorists are much more likely to get stopped with these data bases. My 'privacy concerns' center mostly on a neighborhood nut who peeks into windows, with the police saying it's 'not a police matter.'

[HiTech RedNeck]

And I don't want to bet ~3,000 lives that the 'odd chance' will happen again.

And what's the carnage on the highways in a year? Why don't we forbid driving, then, so as to eliminate this, not chance, but SURE THING?

5 punks with a blade is no match for an angry tourist with the typical carry-on bag that's big enough to give a rhinoceros a concussion.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Huh? It was never actually claimed that Madden chose to forego flying because of the security/privacy hassles. It would be akin to writing "like the Sphynx, I remain silent."

[eno_]

You are the one who seems to have swallowed the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and Center for Science in the Public Interest data hook line and sinker.

If 0.08BAC is "drunk," then, of course, there are a lot of "drunks" on the road.

I just think the next time you get pulled over the cop should ask for a list of medications you are on, and if any have side effects that could impair driving, your license should be pulled.

[DanTheAdmin]

http://dermatology.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2000/401/1

Try This:

"Sedating Antihistamines: Don't Drive or Use Heavy Machinery"

[steve-b]

You've made the allegation that Benadryl and antihistimines somehow impair driving. Do you have ANYTHING to back that up?

Go to your nearest drugstore. Peruse the labels on antihistamines for the words "DO NOT DRIVE OR OPERATE HEAVY MACHINERY".

We'll wait....

[1L]

Huh? It was never actually claimed that Madden chose to forego flying because of the security/privacy hassles.

Huh is right. Since I never claimed as much, I'm not sure what you are referring to.

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

5 punks with a blade is no match for an angry tourist with the typical carry-on bag that's big enough to give a rhinoceros a concussion.

That would be me. :-) I wouldn't go down in an airplane hijacking without a fight - I ain't 1/4 Fighting Irish for nothing!!!

Or it could be just about any other parent of a sports competitor. I carry all kinds of stuff in there that I'll need to keep myself occupied at my daughter's gymnastics meets, as well as a kit for emergency "beauty and hair" repairs ;-), not to mention water bottles for hydration and first aid for injuries.