Amnesty By Another Name is Still Amnesty: Bush Compounds an Immigration Disaster

Intellectual Conservative ^ | January 12th, 2004 | W. James Antle III

[Zipporah]

..uh okay.. we will agree to disagree..

[Victoria Delsoul]

No hay problema. :-)

[farmfriend]

Short list just incase some got missed in the pings.

[FITZ]

Wake-up folks; Bush is trying to find at least, a reasonable and fair middle ground; tring to implement a solution, which in the end, will serve America; it's taxpayers, it's future; while trying as well to do the right thing for an economically displaced population; who are, in fact, our neighbor.

Maybe that's what he's trying to do --- but he never mentioned who was going to pay for all the health care costs of the illegals, or for the education of the families they bring over, he didn't mention them having to learn English before seeking citizenship, nothing on assimilation into the US, he didn't say what happens if they lose their job after getting a blue card --- do they go on welfare the rest of the 3 years?

Also --- what in his proposals even mentioned reforming Mexico? Obviously it's system is need of a major major overhaul --- but I saw nothing in the proposals that suggested anything bur a workfare program for it's people.

[Amerigomag]

Mass deportations are indeed expensive and present a logistic challenge.

Restructuring US domestic policies to create an atmosphere which induces a volutarily departure is not.

[applemac_g4]

Others have suggested that Americans will turn to socialism or communism when offshoring reaches a certain point; when Americans can no longer make enough money to support themselves, and turn to government programs to survive.
We will have lost our Republic, along with The American Dream; all for a handful of greedy CEOs and crooked politicians."

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Unfortunately, this is exactly what is going to happen. The opportunity for populism to take back the reigns of America will be lost...and at some point, the class warfare ideology of the radical left will begin to ring true in the hearts and minds of a majority of people. Then the opportunity to save American will be lost for good.

All thanks to a REPUBLICAN PARTY and a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT who betrayed conservatism.

"I know that most of the President's policies aren't conservative..." (Sean Hannity, today).

So why bother voting for him? If any true conservative goes to the polls in 04 and pulls the lever for Bush, don't ever open your mouth again to criticize the black vote for going 90% democratic...because you're as much a blind party slave as they.

[hedgetrimmer]

Wake-up folks; Bush is trying implement the FTAA which is scheduled to go into effect Dec, 2004.

FTAA relies on the Organization of American States to govern the 35 "states" in the regional economic zone they are creating in this hemisphere.

America would be just another "state" and have to conform to the Congress of the OAS. The summit of the Americas bush is attending this week is a conference to produce directives to make this destruction of our sovereignty final.

Two of the directives from 1998 we heard about recently . One is the giveaway of social security to illegal immigrants,the other is the so-called immigration reform announced last week. Both of these items were directives from the conference on migrants held at the 1998 summit of the Americas.

Check out this website and see if you don't think the are serious:

www.oas.org.

Also I listened to bush's speech today in Monterrey Mexico. He started out by greeting the 'citizens of the world" attending that meeting. He talked about giving "our" citizens better education and health care, and he wasn't talking about the United States, he was talking about the citizens of the foreign countries in our hemisphere.

Who will pay for this? The American taxpayer. If there are any left given the war on jobs that is currently underway in this country.

[Torie]

Lawyers do the goring. Eat your heart out.

[FITZ]

Here's my guest worker proposal --- say there is an actual shortage for certain labor --- even after recruitment attempts made to disadvantaged neighborhoods and inner-cities --- which is not being done at all with all these jobs they claim Americans won't do --- they won't do them because they are never advertised or offered to Americans. Anyhow --- say there is an actual shortage of labor and we decide to have guest workers. The guest workers are brought in on a temporary basis --- flown or bused in --- they stay the harvest season and then go back. They take their money back to Mexico --- where their homes and families are --- they're more likely to invest in Mexico and build the place up if it stays their home. Same would go for any guest worker --- when the project is done they go back home.

[Jank]

Thank god, someone is looking at the big picture, I agree
with you, this is a way to document workers, and their
employers. Thanks Victoria! Please don't give up on Bush!!!

[ETERNAL WARMING]

He also didn't mention the 5.2 anchor babies that will be born to illegal. Do you want your hardearned tax dollars paying for their offspring? I sure don't. IF they pay taxes, it will be bare minimum, which they will get back. They will cost us so many more billions I don't even want to think about it.

[FITZ]

He started out by greeting the 'citizens of the world"

Citizens of the world????? That's pretty outrageous.

[applemac_g4]

Others have suggested that Americans will turn to socialism or communism when offshoring reaches a certain point; when Americans can no longer make enough money to support themselves, and turn to government programs to survive.
We will have lost our Republic, along with The American Dream; all for a handful of greedy CEOs and crooked politicians."

-----

Unfortunately, this is exactly what is going to happen. The opportunity for populism to take back the reigns of America will be lost...and at some point, the class warfare ideology of the radical left will begin to ring true in the hearts and minds of a majority of people. Then the opportunity to save American will be lost for good.

All thanks to a REPUBLICAN PARTY and a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT who betrayed conservatism.

"I know that most of the President's policies aren't conservative..." (Sean Hannity, today).

So why bother voting for him? If any true conservative goes to the polls in 04 and pulls the lever for Bush, don't ever open your mouth again to criticize the black vote for going 90% democratic...because you're as much a blind party slave as they.

[Torie]

The only real justification for the survival of a nation is an ethnic one

Is that a fact? My ethnic group as most broadly defined, is about half of the population, and falling fast. It is already too late. America is headed for the dumpster through your lens. In my lens, without robust immigration, America would fall to China sooner than otherwise. The dirty little secret is America is still sucking up the best and the brightest from around the globe, at an accelerating rate. The bulk of the rest are about average, and will in time, do about as well as average Americans. In the meantime, it is no accident that housing in so many of the most expensive neighborhoods in America houses an increasingly heterogeneous lot.

I'm bullish on America. That is my considered intellectual judgment. Your mileage obviously varies.

[Amerigomag]

I agree with you, this is a way to document workers, and their employers.

Take a moment to reread reply #57 which adequately demonstrates the weakness of the documentation argument.

[Texasforever]

Unfortunately, this is exactly what is going to happen. The opportunity for populism to take back the reigns of America will be lost..

Finally someone that defines the debate. The debate around here is not and has never been Conservative to conservative. It is Populism vs. conservatism. Now let's see if you really mean it and can define the difference between a "conservative" and a "populist" view of this country.

[xJones]

Lawyers do the goring. Eat your heart out.

Worry about your own heart, Torie, when your U.S. non-legal relatives can't find middle-class jobs in the U.S.

[Sabertooth]

Sorry, but I don't see it that way. I pretty much agree with Rush when he said: " It applies to only those working already or with a job promised, but it also identifies their employers who have to pay Social Security and payroll taxes. It puts them legally on the tax rolls, including local taxes, and while not granting citizenship for the first time it officially documents who they are."

They are deportable Illegals, against whom President Bush, like his predecessors, has deliberately failed to enforce our immigration laws.

That he has failed is the problem, not the excuse, and there is no excuse for his Amnesty proposal.

I've got over a million Illegals in my county. Anyone preaching compassion for these lawbreakers is welcome to send me their address and one-way bus tickets; they can be compassionate to their hearts' content.