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To: upcountry miss
I don't have a REASONABLE,WORKABLE answer

Neither does anyone else who has posted anything on this topic on any of the threads. The problem is overwhelming because of the staggering numbers involved. I don't see any way of deporting 10 million people in any reasonable amount of time. Those who say this can be done without major economic disruption, major expense, and possibly open warfare are naive. Still, I don't condone the invasion from Mexico.

I think the place to start is at the border: Congress and the Pres. need to summon the political WILL to close the border, or at least make some sort of bona fide effort to stem the tide. And that won't happen until a lot of citizens make a lot of noise. There already was an amnesty that rewarded the FIRST wave of illegals, and its only accomplishment was to encourage yet more people to cross over. The problem with this "non-amnesty" is that it will never end. Or it may end when the American social services net collapses.

The other thing that needs to be done is to find a Constitutionaly-acceptable way to cut off public services (tax money) for illegals. Until this is done, the tide will continue,unabated. California has spent near 10 billion tax dollars on services for illegals over the last decade.

I see that there is a petition drive in Arizona to put the matter to the voters; another Prop 187-type ballot petition drive is just getting underway in California. I figure such citizen initiatives might occur in other border states as well.

The biggest part of the problem is that big money interests want to maintain the status quo because a cheap, undocumented labor force means money in their pockets. No benefits, no tax withholding, no SS, no Medicare no paperwork. The savings to agribusiness, construction, and the hotel trade is enormous. And the taxpayers pick up the slack. As long as this continues, the illegal alien problem will not be solved.

96 posted on 01/12/2004 1:58:39 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation."

I'm one of the 83%.

If the President Bush or Tom Ridge would announce that in six months they will be paying a $50 per head bounty for each illegal alien on American soil there would be a mad rush for the borders.

A policeman in a car costs the average city about $200 an hour. Helicopters cost at least $2000 an hour with the ground crews. What is the full cost of a teacher per hour? $140.00 or there about.

If we could get illegal aliens to turn each other in, just the ones trying to slip through the net, (I know thousands would attempt it) we would save billions in law enforcement, welfare programs, unemployment, medical care, job training and schools the first year.

Do all this under Executive Order and tell the Courts to back off. This is national security!

Just announce that we will be dividing the country up into various sized quadrants depending on population per square mile.

Any employer who has employed an illegal alien five months from the announcement date will be fined $5000 per employee. One month later enforcement begins. This will give employers 5 months to shed the illegals and hire legally papered actual American citizens.

Then on the announced date, start in a state such as Oklahoma. Well centered, not overly populated and clean the state out. This would give Homeland, INS and Border Patrol time to install their co-agents in various court houses around the country to verify a persons paperwork, i.e.. birth certificates, hospital records, etc.

Get caught and the result would be every foreign national who is not in America legally would forfeit their belongings and be shipped out within 24 hours. These forfeited belongings would then be given to local churches for distribution to the needy. Another cost saver!

Go state to state from the epicenter sweeping out the criminals who have successfully avoided suspicion. They already had 5 months to get out, hanging around to test the system carries a SEVERE penalty. They won't be able to say they weren't warned.

This enforcement would apply to illegals from every country in the world, not just Mexico.

Imagine the number of Chinese who would be taking the ship home with everything in the house, new cars, you name it would be on those ships. The thousands of Canadians who decided the USA was better than Canada would be headed North.

How many schools could be closed? How many hospitals and state paid housing tracts? How many welfare offices?

How many state and federal employees would find out that they have the time to actually give good service to their American customers?

Oh yes, it would be an economic shocker in the amount of taxes that could be reduced or used to actually improve something needed for American citizens, instead of illegal foreigners.

Want an approximate number of the population drop? Try 50 million+ with the majority over 30 years of age, having been illegal residents of America for over ten years.

Just imagine the frantic squealing from our politicians thinking of the lost votes and contributions. That would be a sideshow worth watching!

161 posted on 01/13/2004 5:19:21 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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